1 00:00:37,380 --> 00:00:06,260 [Music] 2 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:37,390 hello and welcome to the show my name is 3 00:00:43,830 --> 00:00:40,449 Martin Willis and I'm your host and we 4 00:00:45,750 --> 00:00:43,840 have Chris Christopher O'Brien on the 5 00:00:48,210 --> 00:00:45,760 show this evening he's really here this 6 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:48,220 time I got to tell you about last time 7 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:52,570 now last time he slept he overslept 8 00:00:56,579 --> 00:00:54,910 didn't didn't set his alarm or slept 9 00:00:58,250 --> 00:00:56,589 through his alarm or whatever but you 10 00:01:01,530 --> 00:00:58,260 know I mean there was a reason for that 11 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:01,540 he's doing he's doing well everything is 12 00:01:06,810 --> 00:01:04,510 just fine and he's here tonight and that 13 00:01:08,820 --> 00:01:06,820 actually kind of worked out in a way 14 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:08,830 because uh thanks to the YouTube 15 00:01:15,660 --> 00:01:11,530 listeners out there we had a call-in 16 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:15,670 show an unexpected one that I I can't 17 00:01:21,140 --> 00:01:17,290 believe the amount of email that I 18 00:01:24,810 --> 00:01:21,150 received and people saying do that again 19 00:01:26,039 --> 00:01:24,820 so so it started something at least I'm 20 00:01:28,620 --> 00:01:26,049 going to give it another try it going to 21 00:01:31,050 --> 00:01:28,630 give it an official try and that will be 22 00:01:32,610 --> 00:01:31,060 on st. Paddy's Day and I hope people 23 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:32,620 don't drink too much of the green beer 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:35,410 before they call but that's on March 25 00:01:39,870 --> 00:01:38,770 17th I believe that date is so I'll an 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:39,880 outside ahead of time so you can get 27 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:42,490 your questions ready or your UFO stories 28 00:01:46,620 --> 00:01:44,110 ready or whatever it is and we'll have a 29 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:46,630 race as always does the call screening 30 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:48,610 over here great I'm grateful for that 31 00:01:55,470 --> 00:01:52,530 Matt kgr a radio he'll be doing that and 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:01:55,480 checking people as they as they call in 33 00:02:03,149 --> 00:01:59,770 for that again that's March 17th we have 34 00:02:05,970 --> 00:02:03,159 a blog up on our website podcast UFO 35 00:02:09,059 --> 00:02:05,980 calm and check that out I think it's a 36 00:02:13,619 --> 00:02:09,069 it's one of my favorite incidences and 37 00:02:16,229 --> 00:02:13,629 that is the Fothergill case and it's 38 00:02:17,790 --> 00:02:16,239 about father Gill and UFOs and and our 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:17,800 blogger Charles Lee are actually 40 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:19,690 uncovered a couple things that I had 41 00:02:23,850 --> 00:02:21,370 never heard about when he was doing some 42 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:23,860 research for this and father girl I 43 00:02:27,899 --> 00:02:25,209 don't know if anyone's ever looked into 44 00:02:29,940 --> 00:02:27,909 that there's also I posted on in the 45 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:29,950 middle of the blog a video of him 46 00:02:33,990 --> 00:02:32,110 talking about the event he didn't really 47 00:02:37,070 --> 00:02:34,000 use the fact that you know he was a man 48 00:02:40,310 --> 00:02:37,080 of the cloth so to speak 49 00:02:41,810 --> 00:02:40,320 to promote his authenticity he just said 50 00:02:43,970 --> 00:02:41,820 if you don't believe me that's okay and 51 00:02:45,860 --> 00:02:43,980 check out the video it's really great I 52 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:45,870 wish I could have met him he passed away 53 00:02:51,710 --> 00:02:49,710 years ago but another really great case 54 00:02:54,050 --> 00:02:51,720 that has happened an unexplained one and 55 00:02:56,990 --> 00:02:54,060 an interacting one actually there were 56 00:02:59,420 --> 00:02:57,000 some there was a flashlight I think they 57 00:03:02,960 --> 00:02:59,430 waved at it and then it seemed like the 58 00:03:04,970 --> 00:03:02,970 beings were interacting the standing on 59 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:04,980 top of the craft it's a real bizarre 60 00:03:11,210 --> 00:03:08,930 story so check that out a lot of people 61 00:03:12,590 --> 00:03:11,220 ironically I think it's ironic but 62 00:03:16,190 --> 00:03:12,600 there's a number of people that listen 63 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:16,200 to my antique auction forum podcasts 64 00:03:20,270 --> 00:03:17,640 that actually listen to this show too 65 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:20,280 and I actually usually it's the people 66 00:03:27,050 --> 00:03:23,850 that listen to my UFO shows will they 67 00:03:28,970 --> 00:03:27,060 will you know maybe wander over to the 68 00:03:30,380 --> 00:03:28,980 antique auction forum and listen to 69 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:30,390 those podcasts over there but I've 70 00:03:35,330 --> 00:03:32,370 actually had it go the other way around 71 00:03:36,980 --> 00:03:35,340 the other day I had an email from 72 00:03:39,770 --> 00:03:36,990 someone a longtime listener to my 73 00:03:41,630 --> 00:03:39,780 antique show that said he was looking 74 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:41,640 wondering why I wasn't having new shows 75 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:45,650 on my antiques and he found the UFO show 76 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:48,209 and he said it's fascinating I never 77 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:49,530 really thought about it but he says I'm 78 00:03:55,250 --> 00:03:52,410 listening all the time so I'm kind of 79 00:03:57,850 --> 00:03:55,260 grateful for that anyway so I'm gonna 80 00:04:00,380 --> 00:03:57,860 start doing more of those shows and 81 00:04:02,449 --> 00:04:00,390 gonna be at a car museum next week 82 00:04:04,850 --> 00:04:02,459 working doing a show over there as well 83 00:04:07,940 --> 00:04:04,860 the antique cars so that ought to be fun 84 00:04:10,340 --> 00:04:07,950 for now I do want to thank everyone that 85 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:10,350 helps out with the show and there's a 86 00:04:15,830 --> 00:04:11,910 lot of people behind the scenes I'm 87 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:15,840 grateful for all that and I also want to 88 00:04:22,909 --> 00:04:18,510 thank race @kg are a radio for the great 89 00:04:25,490 --> 00:04:22,919 job he does and and Peggy who helps out 90 00:04:27,860 --> 00:04:25,500 with a Facebook page and a number of 91 00:04:30,050 --> 00:04:27,870 people have been asking me constantly 92 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:30,060 every single week you know is Alejandro 93 00:04:36,620 --> 00:04:32,460 okay Alejandro Rojas what's up with him 94 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:36,630 what's going on I don't really know to 95 00:04:43,070 --> 00:04:38,910 be honest with the people out there I 96 00:04:45,620 --> 00:04:43,080 really don't know if if he's planning on 97 00:04:47,719 --> 00:04:45,630 coming back I really don't know he he 98 00:04:50,450 --> 00:04:47,729 may have you know changed a few things 99 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:50,460 with what he wants to do for right now I 100 00:04:52,489 --> 00:04:50,969 can't 101 00:04:56,419 --> 00:04:52,499 answer for him I'm trying to give him 102 00:04:59,359 --> 00:04:56,429 his privacy his you know it is a private 103 00:05:01,100 --> 00:04:59,369 thing for him Wow whatever he does so he 104 00:05:04,039 --> 00:05:01,110 doesn't really want me to discuss too 105 00:05:05,539 --> 00:05:04,049 much on what's going on but um every 106 00:05:06,919 --> 00:05:05,549 single week I get a lot of people 107 00:05:08,899 --> 00:05:06,929 wondering and they're worried about him 108 00:05:10,969 --> 00:05:08,909 but I can tell you this you don't have 109 00:05:13,699 --> 00:05:10,979 to worry about him he is doing fine and 110 00:05:16,009 --> 00:05:13,709 we've had some great conversations it's 111 00:05:18,309 --> 00:05:16,019 just that he I just don't know what his 112 00:05:20,929 --> 00:05:18,319 future is as far as being on this show 113 00:05:22,519 --> 00:05:20,939 as far as me replacing him with someone 114 00:05:23,419 --> 00:05:22,529 else I don't know if I'm going to do 115 00:05:26,209 --> 00:05:23,429 that either 116 00:05:30,049 --> 00:05:26,219 I may not I may just continue like this 117 00:05:32,209 --> 00:05:30,059 I do personally miss the news updates 118 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:32,219 you know on the shows the way they were 119 00:05:37,219 --> 00:05:35,849 I just it's I'm usually too busy during 120 00:05:38,989 --> 00:05:37,229 the week to check on things and how 121 00:05:41,809 --> 00:05:38,999 they're going so that that's always been 122 00:05:45,109 --> 00:05:41,819 helpful for me when he fills me in on 123 00:05:46,669 --> 00:05:45,119 that and you know so I may figure out 124 00:05:49,549 --> 00:05:46,679 something at a later time but for right 125 00:05:52,009 --> 00:05:49,559 now I just got a little old me here and 126 00:05:54,169 --> 00:05:52,019 I I do appreciate everyone that listens 127 00:05:56,540 --> 00:05:54,179 and I do appreciate everyone that 128 00:05:58,429 --> 00:05:56,550 supports the show as well and for now 129 00:06:02,089 --> 00:05:58,439 I'm going to introduce our guests 130 00:06:04,999 --> 00:06:02,099 Christopher O'Brien he doesn't really 131 00:06:06,979 --> 00:06:05,009 need much of an it doesn't need much of 132 00:06:09,379 --> 00:06:06,989 an introduction he's been on many times 133 00:06:11,659 --> 00:06:09,389 but he's got an incredible background 134 00:06:14,179 --> 00:06:11,669 wrote the best book out there on cattle 135 00:06:16,009 --> 00:06:14,189 mutilations really great one I've read 136 00:06:17,869 --> 00:06:16,019 through quite a bit of it it's a big 137 00:06:20,509 --> 00:06:17,879 book it's a great book it is the 138 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:20,519 top-notch top-notch work on that subject 139 00:06:24,139 --> 00:06:22,289 we're going to be talking about all 140 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:24,149 kinds of different things tonight and 141 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:28,289 Chris I consider Chris a friend he 142 00:06:34,219 --> 00:06:31,889 actually stayed at my guesthouse a few 143 00:06:37,069 --> 00:06:34,229 years ago before I sold my house up on 144 00:06:39,259 --> 00:06:37,079 the mountain there and we went out Chris 145 00:06:41,419 --> 00:06:39,269 remember going out on the boat how can 146 00:06:45,889 --> 00:06:41,429 you forget that right right 147 00:06:47,779 --> 00:06:45,899 that didn't last too long we ended yeah 148 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:47,789 in the middle of the lake and then oh 149 00:06:52,609 --> 00:06:49,529 the lake and you saved the day I 150 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:52,619 remember you doing your pirate R or 151 00:06:57,289 --> 00:06:55,289 whatever and waving life preservers and 152 00:06:59,149 --> 00:06:57,299 someone actually it was a pretty lonely 153 00:07:00,829 --> 00:06:59,159 day on the lake out there remember that 154 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:00,839 there was only like one boat a mile away 155 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:04,910 and right I came and rescued us 156 00:07:10,150 --> 00:07:07,520 but you know yeah good times but anyway 157 00:07:12,220 --> 00:07:10,160 welcome to the show and I'm glad you're 158 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:12,230 doing okay and everybody else up a lot 159 00:07:15,940 --> 00:07:14,090 of people are concerned about you when 160 00:07:18,910 --> 00:07:15,950 you didn't show up the last time yeah 161 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:18,920 yeah unfortunately I think I booked the 162 00:07:25,420 --> 00:07:22,910 the show a little too soon after uh I'm 163 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:25,430 fairly uh well let's put it this way 164 00:07:29,950 --> 00:07:27,290 anytime you get heart surgery it's uh 165 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:29,960 it's kind of a big deal yeah it was a 166 00:07:35,710 --> 00:07:33,130 fairly fairly routine procedure 167 00:07:39,460 --> 00:07:35,720 unfortunately I developed arterial 168 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:39,470 fibrillation a year ago and this is a 169 00:07:45,550 --> 00:07:41,450 new procedure that's only been around 170 00:07:48,310 --> 00:07:45,560 for I don't know about 15 years where 171 00:07:50,940 --> 00:07:48,320 they actually go up your carotid artery 172 00:07:54,250 --> 00:07:50,950 and go through your heart and then 173 00:07:57,850 --> 00:07:54,260 oblate the nerve bundles that kick off 174 00:08:01,020 --> 00:07:57,860 the the you know the heart but said that 175 00:08:06,370 --> 00:08:01,030 the fibrillating heart beats and so I 176 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:06,380 was still kind of down and out and when 177 00:08:12,910 --> 00:08:09,530 I went to sleep I I didn't set my alarm 178 00:08:16,030 --> 00:08:12,920 and I just I just kept sleeping and 179 00:08:18,070 --> 00:08:16,040 unfortunately I miss mr. show I really 180 00:08:20,860 --> 00:08:18,080 felt bad I think I woke up at about 181 00:08:23,260 --> 00:08:20,870 eight o'clock and I want oh no oh that's 182 00:08:26,470 --> 00:08:23,270 right that's right it was pretty I'm 183 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:26,480 back I'm back yeah I'm back and I'm 184 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:29,090 doing really good and I've got lots of 185 00:08:34,510 --> 00:08:31,610 cool stuff been going on and I'm looking 186 00:08:36,790 --> 00:08:34,520 forward to getting out of the New York 187 00:08:40,810 --> 00:08:36,800 upstate New York weather here we just 188 00:08:43,959 --> 00:08:40,820 had about a foot of snow and it's uh you 189 00:08:46,030 --> 00:08:43,969 know it gets old after a few months 190 00:08:49,750 --> 00:08:46,040 especially you know living in Arizona 191 00:08:52,950 --> 00:08:49,760 for so many years it's a little new and 192 00:08:57,190 --> 00:08:52,960 different my cat doesn't like me anymore 193 00:09:00,130 --> 00:08:57,200 she was born in the desert and she just 194 00:09:03,610 --> 00:09:00,140 takes one step outside and just looks at 195 00:09:05,620 --> 00:09:03,620 me goes yes I did that I lived in 196 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:05,630 California for nine years and came back 197 00:09:11,380 --> 00:09:07,730 with a Chihuahua that was not happy 198 00:09:14,650 --> 00:09:11,390 walking yes no just likely yeah I got 199 00:09:18,310 --> 00:09:14,660 the look like what is this yeah so yeah 200 00:09:18,770 --> 00:09:18,320 yeah but you're working on all kinds of 201 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:18,780 things 202 00:09:24,980 --> 00:09:21,240 as usual yeah not the type of guy that 203 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:24,990 rests on his laurels so no yeah so tell 204 00:09:29,870 --> 00:09:27,510 us what you're up to these days well you 205 00:09:34,220 --> 00:09:29,880 know we've got the UFO gap project which 206 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:34,230 is the UFO detection data acquisition 207 00:09:40,190 --> 00:09:37,440 project and basically what we've been 208 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:40,200 doing for 12 years is coming up with an 209 00:09:47,870 --> 00:09:44,690 affordable and you know you know the 210 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:47,880 state of the art really an affordable 211 00:09:56,150 --> 00:09:53,130 system that will detect burial anomalies 212 00:10:00,730 --> 00:09:56,160 and basically there's triangulated 213 00:10:04,610 --> 00:10:00,740 cameras with a multi sensor pack that's 214 00:10:08,570 --> 00:10:04,620 based on a Raspberry Pi and and it's got 215 00:10:11,090 --> 00:10:08,580 a magnetometer an accelerometer and you 216 00:10:14,690 --> 00:10:11,100 know complete admin firm ation and and 217 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:14,700 it's all tied in to GPS so you're able 218 00:10:22,670 --> 00:10:18,210 to triangulate get the altitude azimuth 219 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:22,680 and speed and and hopefully at some 220 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:24,290 point we're also going to be able to 221 00:10:29,210 --> 00:10:27,210 detect varying degrees of luminance and 222 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:29,220 then we'll also find out whether the 223 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:31,890 object is in some way impact in the 224 00:10:37,460 --> 00:10:34,710 Earth's magnetic field and whether it's 225 00:10:40,579 --> 00:10:37,470 you know got some sort of gravitational 226 00:10:42,980 --> 00:10:40,589 component and we've got our first system 227 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:42,990 that effect many years of investigative 228 00:10:48,350 --> 00:10:46,290 work it's in South Central Colorado and 229 00:10:49,670 --> 00:10:48,360 then this spring I'm going back back 230 00:10:53,390 --> 00:10:49,680 there and we're gonna put in the other 231 00:10:55,940 --> 00:10:53,400 two cameras and the multi sensor package 232 00:11:02,470 --> 00:10:55,950 so I'm really excited about it we've 233 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:05,809 the product it we're not really doing 234 00:11:11,569 --> 00:11:07,529 this to make money everything is pretty 235 00:11:13,939 --> 00:11:11,579 much it cost and so we've sold one to a 236 00:11:15,949 --> 00:11:13,949 guy that is setting it up this spring 237 00:11:18,530 --> 00:11:15,959 right next door to the skinwalker ranch 238 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:18,540 up there in Utah and then we have 239 00:11:25,910 --> 00:11:22,050 interest in we've got a guy that's in 240 00:11:30,110 --> 00:11:25,920 northern Utah with a system a doctor 241 00:11:32,090 --> 00:11:30,120 with a camera in San Pedro which is the 242 00:11:34,699 --> 00:11:32,100 southernmost part of La is right on the 243 00:11:37,540 --> 00:11:34,709 beach and we have interest stuff from 244 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:37,550 Switzerland and Australia and Italy and 245 00:11:43,910 --> 00:11:40,730 we're we're pretty excited because the 246 00:11:47,180 --> 00:11:43,920 the systems are you know anybody can can 247 00:11:50,389 --> 00:11:47,190 afford it it's not like it was when I 248 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:50,399 first started working on the idea 1215 249 00:11:55,490 --> 00:11:52,889 years ago it would have cost you know a 250 00:11:58,069 --> 00:11:55,500 couple hundred thousand dollars because 251 00:12:01,579 --> 00:11:58,079 the technology has has come down in 252 00:12:05,389 --> 00:12:01,589 price and gone up in quality and these 253 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:05,399 types of systems are now attainable and 254 00:12:10,670 --> 00:12:07,769 what makes our system really unique is 255 00:12:14,079 --> 00:12:10,680 it has customized software that detects 256 00:12:16,730 --> 00:12:14,089 motion and then tracks the motion and 257 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:16,740 sends a signal over the internet to the 258 00:12:21,290 --> 00:12:18,660 other cameras so that they can wheel 259 00:12:23,900 --> 00:12:21,300 around and with coordinate data then go 260 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:23,910 ahead and get a second and third camera 261 00:12:28,999 --> 00:12:26,610 angle on one the events so this is the 262 00:12:31,069 --> 00:12:29,009 kind of information that if we're able 263 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:31,079 to replicate it we could literally write 264 00:12:46,370 --> 00:12:33,810 a scientific paper with the help of an 265 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:46,380 acrid entrance I anticipate the kind of 266 00:12:52,460 --> 00:12:49,980 data that is then replicated and then 267 00:12:55,429 --> 00:12:52,470 presented for peer review and and this 268 00:12:57,710 --> 00:12:55,439 is a dream come true i I often joke you 269 00:13:01,030 --> 00:12:57,720 know people say call me a ufologist and 270 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:01,040 I say please do not call me one of those 271 00:13:08,210 --> 00:13:05,910 people and they said well you do 272 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:08,220 investigate I said yeah and if I was a 273 00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:10,410 ufologist I'd be coming up with a system 274 00:13:15,269 --> 00:13:14,220 like you fo dab so take that for what 275 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:15,279 it's worth 276 00:13:22,499 --> 00:13:18,370 and that's just one of several projects 277 00:13:24,809 --> 00:13:22,509 that that we have going right now that 278 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:24,819 that particular one is the most exciting 279 00:13:31,739 --> 00:13:29,050 I think in terms of the impact it will 280 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:31,749 have I think on the field people can 281 00:13:39,290 --> 00:13:35,050 spend anywhere from 400 to $5,000 and 282 00:13:43,069 --> 00:13:39,300 and have a you know self-contained 283 00:13:45,989 --> 00:13:43,079 detection system that will allow them 284 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:45,999 the ability to you know like I said 285 00:13:54,660 --> 00:13:50,730 actually gather scientific data of 286 00:13:57,799 --> 00:13:54,670 anomalous aerial object events so that's 287 00:14:01,079 --> 00:13:57,809 that's one thing that I'm working on 288 00:14:03,119 --> 00:14:01,089 into that I know ray-ray Stanford's 289 00:14:06,809 --> 00:14:03,129 listening now hopefully I'll call in 290 00:14:07,980 --> 00:14:06,819 later it seems like he just sent me an 291 00:14:11,809 --> 00:14:07,990 email right now saying we're having 292 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:11,819 audio cut in and now and I'm trying to 293 00:14:18,389 --> 00:14:15,970 see if that is the case can you hear me 294 00:14:20,999 --> 00:14:18,399 all right there I hear you perfectly 295 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:21,009 here but I guess it had been cutting in 296 00:14:26,610 --> 00:14:22,689 and out I'm not really sure why we have 297 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:26,620 a great signal but it is it what it is 298 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:29,050 and we'll just move on but a rate rate 299 00:14:33,780 --> 00:14:30,850 you know think of the money he had to 300 00:14:35,490 --> 00:14:33,790 spend back in the late 1970s oh my god 301 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:35,500 yeah well he was my inspiration really 302 00:14:44,809 --> 00:14:38,470 for this you know project starlight his 303 00:14:51,119 --> 00:14:49,199 1970-71 I think or 72 it was well over a 304 00:14:52,590 --> 00:14:51,129 million dollars in fact I think with the 305 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:52,600 land and stuff that they had there 306 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:54,370 outside of Austin it was around two 307 00:15:00,740 --> 00:14:57,610 million dollars that they had to to sink 308 00:15:03,509 --> 00:15:00,750 into the project and and now we can do 309 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:03,519 with much better technology we can do 310 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:05,649 all that for hundreds of dollars as 311 00:15:13,939 --> 00:15:09,910 opposed to you know seven figures so but 312 00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:13,949 but that whole concept of hard data 313 00:15:21,150 --> 00:15:17,199 you know gathering actual hard data I 314 00:15:23,009 --> 00:15:21,160 was really inspired by Ray's work who 315 00:15:24,260 --> 00:15:23,019 was decades and decades ahead of his 316 00:15:28,250 --> 00:15:24,270 time and 317 00:15:30,710 --> 00:15:28,260 and you know again I tip my hat to a lot 318 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:30,720 of hard work that went into that 319 00:15:37,730 --> 00:15:34,170 particular effort and Ray is going to be 320 00:15:41,449 --> 00:15:37,740 if he if he wants he can be one of our 321 00:15:44,060 --> 00:15:41,459 or my chief analyst so when we get some 322 00:15:46,460 --> 00:15:44,070 good stuff we'll let ray chew on it for 323 00:15:49,970 --> 00:15:46,470 a while and and tell us if we got 324 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:49,980 something worthy or not he's the best in 325 00:15:56,930 --> 00:15:53,130 in the field at analyzing these events 326 00:16:01,519 --> 00:15:56,940 especially photographic and and you know 327 00:16:04,970 --> 00:16:01,529 other evidence uh-huh yeah yeah that's 328 00:16:09,250 --> 00:16:04,980 that's really great and these things I 329 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:09,260 saw I try to put up a picture of of the 330 00:16:14,780 --> 00:16:13,110 the unit itself I can't get it wants to 331 00:16:16,430 --> 00:16:14,790 turn sideways in the software for some 332 00:16:19,940 --> 00:16:16,440 reason so I was going to show that to 333 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:19,950 everyone is this was this your 334 00:16:22,699 --> 00:16:21,690 brainchild all the way through did you 335 00:16:25,130 --> 00:16:22,709 have a lot of people 336 00:16:27,740 --> 00:16:25,140 well no no there's there's a team of 337 00:16:30,079 --> 00:16:27,750 people that have been involved Wayne 338 00:16:32,269 --> 00:16:30,089 Hall and back my my my principal who 339 00:16:35,389 --> 00:16:32,279 I've been where I worked with for 12 340 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:35,399 years unfortunately he passed away last 341 00:16:41,210 --> 00:16:38,250 year and and that just left myself and 342 00:16:43,790 --> 00:16:41,220 Ron olds who's our engineer Ron's really 343 00:16:46,010 --> 00:16:43,800 the brains behind the software and and 344 00:16:49,010 --> 00:16:46,020 then matching the the gear with the 345 00:16:51,170 --> 00:16:49,020 software he's the engineer and computer 346 00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:51,180 scientists I basically am the 347 00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,350 cheerleader and and I helped I helped 348 00:17:00,500 --> 00:16:57,839 install the systems and then do the some 349 00:17:03,610 --> 00:17:00,510 of the analytical work I've been taking 350 00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:03,620 notes from mr. Stanford for years and 351 00:17:08,510 --> 00:17:05,839 I'm getting a little better at 352 00:17:12,620 --> 00:17:08,520 determining you know what what things 353 00:17:17,020 --> 00:17:12,630 are and of course on the internet 98% 354 00:17:21,290 --> 00:17:17,030 99% of what you see is is not what it's 355 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:21,300 purported to be so it's always it's 356 00:17:25,939 --> 00:17:23,910 always fun to try to come up with a 357 00:17:30,220 --> 00:17:25,949 proper explanation then send it to Ray 358 00:17:33,890 --> 00:17:30,230 and and see if you'll confirm it yeah 359 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:33,900 but yeah so it's it was a three-person 360 00:17:37,549 --> 00:17:35,850 project and now we're down to two and 361 00:17:40,730 --> 00:17:37,559 and 362 00:17:44,029 --> 00:17:40,740 we also are we haven't really joined 363 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:44,039 forces with another group but as soon as 364 00:17:50,539 --> 00:17:46,110 we do be able to make an announcement on 365 00:17:53,779 --> 00:17:50,549 that we have some some pretty pretty 366 00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:53,789 interesting inquiries about combining 367 00:17:57,259 --> 00:17:55,679 efforts with other other teams and 368 00:17:58,610 --> 00:17:57,269 that's course we have something to 369 00:18:01,039 --> 00:17:58,620 announce yeah we will 370 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:01,049 yeah that's really great and I have 371 00:18:08,060 --> 00:18:03,529 mentioned that to other people that have 372 00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:08,070 have had similar you know not really 373 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:10,559 units but you know you mentioned someone 374 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:15,570 are all here and I've mentioned to mark 375 00:18:18,859 --> 00:18:17,610 T Antonio and a few other different 376 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:18,869 people that are trying to do something 377 00:18:22,940 --> 00:18:20,730 you know we're all trying to do the same 378 00:18:27,619 --> 00:18:22,950 thing get the same answer and it would 379 00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:27,629 be great if people do instead of compete 380 00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:30,480 or if that's what it is you know to to 381 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:34,799 combined combined efforts and try to get 382 00:18:41,239 --> 00:18:38,129 some more answers so yeah yeah well mark 383 00:18:44,029 --> 00:18:41,249 so he's listed on our website as 384 00:18:48,259 --> 00:18:44,039 consultant for astronomical questions 385 00:18:50,749 --> 00:18:48,269 and for analytical work we love to get 386 00:18:55,730 --> 00:18:50,759 mark you know as much involved as he's 387 00:18:59,889 --> 00:18:55,740 willing to of course it's you know again 388 00:19:03,080 --> 00:18:59,899 we really want to make this system 389 00:19:06,049 --> 00:19:03,090 available for as many people as as 390 00:19:10,009 --> 00:19:06,059 possible because once we start producing 391 00:19:11,869 --> 00:19:10,019 data we'll be able to really start 392 00:19:15,169 --> 00:19:11,879 crunching some numbers and doing pattern 393 00:19:18,859 --> 00:19:15,179 recognition and and you know looking for 394 00:19:21,259 --> 00:19:18,869 commonalities and looking for you know 395 00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:21,269 that holy grail of scientific research 396 00:19:27,259 --> 00:19:24,539 and that's repeatability and and that's 397 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:27,269 you know we need to get systems out 398 00:19:32,539 --> 00:19:30,240 there and we need good annal analyzing 399 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:32,549 going on after the data has been 400 00:19:38,629 --> 00:19:36,330 gathered so mark is is one of a number 401 00:19:39,230 --> 00:19:38,639 of people that we've invited to be to be 402 00:19:41,299 --> 00:19:39,240 involved 403 00:19:43,820 --> 00:19:41,309 Jacques Vallee kind of helped out a 404 00:19:47,509 --> 00:19:43,830 little bit gave us some ideas on some 405 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:47,519 things to consider and we've also had 406 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:50,210 like I said Reyes has 407 00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:53,930 has been you know sort of pointing 408 00:19:59,200 --> 00:19:56,720 things out and making suggestions and 409 00:20:00,670 --> 00:19:59,210 you know it's it's three steps forward 410 00:20:03,850 --> 00:20:00,680 two steps back like everything in life 411 00:20:08,650 --> 00:20:03,860 and you know when it's all being done on 412 00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:08,660 the cheap so to speak it's hard to get 413 00:20:13,210 --> 00:20:11,360 things done sometimes but I think we 414 00:20:17,620 --> 00:20:13,220 have a lot of nice forward momentum now 415 00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:17,630 and and you know we've been approached 416 00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,740 by Kevin day who of course was the radar 417 00:20:26,860 --> 00:20:23,840 operator on the USS Princeton during the 418 00:20:28,810 --> 00:20:26,870 the Nimitz tick-tack event and he's 419 00:20:31,140 --> 00:20:28,820 going to be mounting an expedition to 420 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:31,150 Catalina Island there off the coast of 421 00:20:34,570 --> 00:20:33,170 California and then later on the 422 00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:34,580 following year he's going down to 423 00:20:39,580 --> 00:20:36,950 Guadeloupe which is in the area where 424 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:39,590 they had the tic-tac event and we're 425 00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:41,450 going to be helping out with some gear 426 00:20:47,950 --> 00:20:45,380 and and I think he's expecting at least 427 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:47,960 one of us to go along I have good sea 428 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:49,730 legs so I wouldn't line up and be kind 429 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:51,290 of fun oh absolutely 430 00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:53,930 hey what about Peter Davenport's you 431 00:21:02,350 --> 00:20:58,880 know his passive radar idea yeah I'm 432 00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:02,360 like it was a pretty pretty solid yeah 433 00:21:09,310 --> 00:21:06,190 absolutely I have an active radar idea 434 00:21:12,550 --> 00:21:09,320 yeah yeah I know take a marine radar 435 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:12,560 stick it on a pedestal that is being fed 436 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:15,890 coordinate data so it'll you know pan 437 00:21:24,790 --> 00:21:19,790 and tilt according to you know where the 438 00:21:27,850 --> 00:21:24,800 actual GPS signal is pointing it and you 439 00:21:32,620 --> 00:21:27,860 put a marine radar unit on it you dampen 440 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:32,630 the signal 350 degrees of the sweep of 441 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:35,510 the radar unit and then have a window 442 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:37,490 that's pointed right at the event and 443 00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,010 you could sit there and paint it and get 444 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:42,080 a return they're good up to about 40 445 00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:46,250 miles line-of-sight so the San Luis 446 00:21:51,070 --> 00:21:48,110 Valley where our first system was going 447 00:21:52,990 --> 00:21:51,080 in is radar and visible glow 18,000 feet 448 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:53,000 we could probably get away with it for a 449 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:55,810 while there is no radar in the valley 450 00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:58,690 the only problem is if our if our 451 00:22:03,940 --> 00:22:02,240 detection equipment detects an f-16 452 00:22:06,909 --> 00:22:03,950 zipping down the La Veta 453 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:06,919 military operations you know MTR 454 00:22:14,139 --> 00:22:11,690 military training route I think the 455 00:22:15,970 --> 00:22:14,149 pilot would probably end up soiling his 456 00:22:25,779 --> 00:22:15,980 drawers and all of a sudden he gets 457 00:22:29,889 --> 00:22:25,789 painted I was just gonna say so we need 458 00:22:32,169 --> 00:22:29,899 to check into the legality of doing an 459 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:32,179 active radar passive radar would be good 460 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:32,570 too 461 00:22:42,190 --> 00:22:36,110 especially on a slave to plat platform 462 00:22:44,019 --> 00:22:42,200 like that it would be it would be again 463 00:22:45,879 --> 00:22:44,029 it's just another tool you know it gives 464 00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:45,889 you another another set of information 465 00:22:52,210 --> 00:22:48,190 it gives you you know real accurate 466 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:52,220 distance information yeah we have to go 467 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:55,250 in to break in like two minutes but you 468 00:22:59,580 --> 00:22:56,450 know prior to that I'd like to at least 469 00:23:03,250 --> 00:22:59,590 begin talking about the San Luis Valley 470 00:23:05,230 --> 00:23:03,260 just because we do have a lot of new 471 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:05,240 listeners to the show and a lot of new 472 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:08,510 listeners that are not are just like new 473 00:23:15,159 --> 00:23:12,289 to the UFO topic so well if you can fill 474 00:23:17,379 --> 00:23:15,169 in like for the person just listening 475 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:17,389 for the first time what kind of hot 476 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:20,330 spots are there are including the San 477 00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,610 Luis Valley yeah we don't have to save 478 00:23:25,509 --> 00:23:23,840 that for when we come back from the 479 00:23:30,129 --> 00:23:25,519 break because we're coming right up to 480 00:23:31,629 --> 00:23:30,139 it yeah yeah well we'll do that when we 481 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:31,639 get back home I'll go ahead and give 482 00:23:37,779 --> 00:23:35,090 them a a thumbnail sketch of the actual 483 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:37,789 valley and the 25 years of work that 484 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:40,490 I've been doing there excellent okay so 485 00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:43,010 we're gonna head into break this is 486 00:23:51,779 --> 00:23:44,870 Martin Willis and we'll be right back 487 00:23:56,980 --> 00:23:54,370 we're clear gentlemen four minutes in 488 00:23:59,379 --> 00:23:56,990 this bright all right excellent except I 489 00:24:01,919 --> 00:23:59,389 guess what Chris look I didn't tell you 490 00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:01,929 this but we're still live on YouTube 491 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:10,460 okay so good thing you so you say you're 492 00:24:14,350 --> 00:24:13,070 out in New York so we'll just talk about 493 00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:14,360 yeah we'll get back to the San Luis 494 00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,720 Valley when we come back but you're in 495 00:24:22,090 --> 00:24:20,240 York have you paid attention I mean 496 00:24:24,810 --> 00:24:22,100 there's that's there's a lot of activity 497 00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:24,820 in upper state New York earlier yes but 498 00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:27,100 yeah there's been some Bigfoot reports 499 00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:30,110 we've had a few sighting events nothing 500 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:31,480 near me 501 00:24:36,820 --> 00:24:33,950 Cheryl cost of course is just up the 502 00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:36,830 road and I think Syracuse and then 503 00:24:42,460 --> 00:24:39,400 Richard Owens just up the road in 504 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:42,470 Rochester and Peter Robbins is he's 505 00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:45,310 pretty close to me he's up by Ithaca and 506 00:24:51,130 --> 00:24:47,990 and then I'm right on the border with 507 00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:51,140 Pennsylvania whereas some people around 508 00:24:59,530 --> 00:24:57,200 here call it pencil talkie and of course 509 00:25:02,500 --> 00:24:59,540 they've there they've the northeast 510 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:02,510 corner of the state is has been a hotbed 511 00:25:09,340 --> 00:25:05,710 of activity on and off over the years 512 00:25:12,930 --> 00:25:09,350 you know north of books berry and 513 00:25:17,710 --> 00:25:12,940 Scranton that area north of there and I 514 00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:17,720 will be I'm sorry Pine Bush is that the 515 00:25:23,530 --> 00:25:20,030 name of the place I'm thinking of yeah 516 00:25:27,670 --> 00:25:23,540 that's in New York is that I don't yeah 517 00:25:29,860 --> 00:25:27,680 it's fairly close yeah yeah that was you 518 00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:29,870 know it's over it's over to the east on 519 00:25:34,180 --> 00:25:32,230 the Hudson there and near the Hudson I 520 00:25:36,850 --> 00:25:34,190 think it's on the other side of the 521 00:25:39,010 --> 00:25:36,860 Hudson actually Peggy that's been 522 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:39,020 helping out for years with our Facebook 523 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:42,290 page has she used to live in that area 524 00:25:46,450 --> 00:25:44,690 and she used to talk about where she's 525 00:25:48,190 --> 00:25:46,460 told me stories about getting the lawn 526 00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:48,200 chair and like going out there was all 527 00:25:52,090 --> 00:25:50,390 these people would just be sitting there 528 00:25:53,620 --> 00:25:52,100 and and waiting for something to happen 529 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:53,630 a lot of times it would happen 530 00:25:59,380 --> 00:25:56,210 yeah pretty ya know I remember talking 531 00:26:02,770 --> 00:25:59,390 with Ellen Crystal and Bruce Cornett 532 00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:02,780 back in the early 90s and and then when 533 00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,750 I lived in Riverdale there was well 534 00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:10,400 actually I was in Manhattan by the time 535 00:26:14,020 --> 00:26:12,590 when the wave started but I had a friend 536 00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:14,030 in Riverdale when we go up there and 537 00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,070 then head north up the Hudson to 538 00:26:20,890 --> 00:26:18,080 untermeyer State Park there north of 539 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:20,900 Yonkers back in the mid 80s and early 540 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:23,810 eighties when the when the you know the 541 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:26,210 Hudson Valley sightings were happening 542 00:26:31,550 --> 00:26:29,570 and I met a number of people and had a 543 00:26:33,860 --> 00:26:31,560 couple of friends that actually had 544 00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,870 really good sightings and so I was 545 00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:36,000 always jealous because whenever I would 546 00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:38,190 go out and nothing would happen and and 547 00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:40,020 then I'd you know invariably somebody 548 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:41,460 would call up and say wow you wouldn't 549 00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:43,650 believe what we saw the other night so 550 00:26:49,490 --> 00:26:45,960 you know it's just my luck I guess back 551 00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:49,500 then yeah I never did get to see 552 00:26:55,450 --> 00:26:51,900 anything in chat someone wanted to know 553 00:26:58,820 --> 00:26:55,460 what brought you to upstate New York a 554 00:27:02,030 --> 00:26:58,830 friend uh yeah my friend Fritz who I 555 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,040 have known forty forty plus years he he 556 00:27:07,670 --> 00:27:04,320 was kind of undergoing a health crisis 557 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:07,680 and and was you know needed a little 558 00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:11,490 some help and and I came and kind of did 559 00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,910 a little medical early intervention and 560 00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:16,380 got him some care he'd never been to a 561 00:27:24,770 --> 00:27:18,180 doctor in his life and he really you 562 00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:24,780 know he needed to needed to be needed 563 00:27:29,270 --> 00:27:26,700 somebody to intervene medically for him 564 00:27:31,910 --> 00:27:29,280 and so uh he's doing much much better he 565 00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,920 was not in good shape when I first 566 00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,320 arrived here a year ago I remember it's 567 00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:36,240 been almost two years yeah yeah yeah we 568 00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:38,310 had the conversation so yeah I was glad 569 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:40,440 to hear that he's suing really well yeah 570 00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:43,170 much better yeah you did a really good 571 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:47,880 thing by doing that yeah yeah living in 572 00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:50,730 the desert about every 13 14 years I 573 00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:53,700 need a couple of year break you know get 574 00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:56,400 off get out of the desert get get into a 575 00:28:02,990 --> 00:27:59,940 place it's a little bit here we go 576 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:03,000 better weather yeah going back we're 577 00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:09,530 Martin I got a guy in the tack room a 578 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:12,840 cage he already yep he says you look 579 00:28:18,620 --> 00:28:16,650 like Richard Drive I think that's a 580 00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:18,630 common root you're dry yes I think 581 00:28:23,780 --> 00:28:19,560 that's a compliment 582 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:23,790 Oh would you took your hat off in your 583 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:28,530 glasses I was like really okay here we 584 00:28:35,270 --> 00:28:31,110 go guys and we're right on time at 585 00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:35,280 sixteen twenty nine thirty in five four 586 00:28:42,650 --> 00:28:40,590 three two already one welcome back to 587 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:42,660 the show my guest tonight is Chris 588 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:44,970 O'Brien and before we went into break we 589 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:45,510 were talking 590 00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:48,650 about the San Luis Valley in Colorado 591 00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:52,100 it's is it down near four corners Chris 592 00:28:57,410 --> 00:28:55,980 it is considered the northeast corner 593 00:29:01,570 --> 00:28:57,420 about four corners 594 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:01,580 oh okay so it is yeah yeah yeah it's the 595 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:04,170 world's largest alpine valley it's and 596 00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:06,450 right above the border with New Mexico 597 00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:09,900 and it actually goes below into New 598 00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:12,750 Mexico and down to Taos and it's about 599 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:16,800 130 miles long 6070 miles wide it's 600 00:29:21,410 --> 00:29:18,510 football shape completely ringed by 601 00:29:24,170 --> 00:29:21,420 mountains the valley sits the valley 602 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:24,180 floor is at seven thousand six hundred 603 00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:26,370 feet and then the mountains go up to 14 604 00:29:34,790 --> 00:29:31,980 a lot of them and it's arguably has a 605 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:34,800 variety and intensity of unexplained 606 00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:38,010 events that I've yet to find another 607 00:29:44,390 --> 00:29:40,710 place that rivals it some people think 608 00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:44,400 Sedona is has more activity but it 609 00:29:51,980 --> 00:29:48,630 really doesn't relatively speaking back 610 00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:51,990 in the early 90s they did a the computer 611 00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:57,080 UFO network did a a per capita rating of 612 00:30:02,420 --> 00:29:59,580 hotspot areas in the country for UFO 613 00:30:07,340 --> 00:30:02,430 sightings and the San Luis Valley was 614 00:30:11,030 --> 00:30:07,350 271 sightings per 10,000 population and 615 00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:11,040 the next nearest was Bucks County which 616 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:18,060 is 57 III estimate that one in 50 UFO 617 00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:21,330 sightings are reported people actually 618 00:30:25,670 --> 00:30:23,190 have become used to them and it's not 619 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:25,680 that big of a deal so people see stuff 620 00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:27,810 all the time there I had dozens of 621 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:30,270 sightings in the 13 years I was there 622 00:30:35,270 --> 00:30:32,340 including some daylight sightings that 623 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:35,280 were just amazing what one little scout 624 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:37,650 ship there 150 feet away from I flew 625 00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:39,510 right in front of our car as we were 626 00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,220 driving it's the variety intensity and 627 00:30:48,610 --> 00:30:46,440 intensity of unexplained occurrences 628 00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:48,620 there it's just it's just it's 629 00:30:54,770 --> 00:30:51,870 jaw-dropping I mean pretty much any type 630 00:30:57,380 --> 00:30:54,780 of UFO craft that has been reported 631 00:30:59,389 --> 00:30:57,390 you'll at some point somebody will see 632 00:31:03,079 --> 00:30:59,399 it all the holiday 633 00:31:07,459 --> 00:31:03,089 and colored orbs from the real big green 634 00:31:10,459 --> 00:31:07,469 fire balls to the small ruby red balls 635 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:10,469 it zip around and the orange ones that 636 00:31:14,659 --> 00:31:11,849 are medium-sized and then a little 637 00:31:20,329 --> 00:31:14,669 smaller the the you know the kind of 638 00:31:22,639 --> 00:31:20,339 incandescent to yellow we have fields of 639 00:31:24,259 --> 00:31:22,649 lights that light up that nobody's been 640 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:24,269 able to figure out what they are there's 641 00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:26,609 thousands of light it's little light up 642 00:31:32,959 --> 00:31:28,409 a whole hillside blinking on and off 643 00:31:36,529 --> 00:31:32,969 like like lightning bugs or fireflies 644 00:31:40,969 --> 00:31:36,539 and then Bigfoot and other crypto 645 00:31:42,979 --> 00:31:40,979 creatures elementals small little 646 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:42,989 diminutive type creatures that you 647 00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:45,330 normally associate with with Celtic 648 00:31:53,779 --> 00:31:49,940 countries what did you buy elementals 649 00:31:57,499 --> 00:31:53,789 trooping fairies little guys with green 650 00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,509 outfits on and sunburned faces it is 651 00:32:03,680 --> 00:31:59,580 it's just some of the reports are just 652 00:32:07,849 --> 00:32:03,690 mind-blowing and coming from really good 653 00:32:10,609 --> 00:32:07,859 experts or good witnesses people that 654 00:32:13,339 --> 00:32:10,619 are above above you know suspicion or 655 00:32:16,959 --> 00:32:13,349 reproach including world class you know 656 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:16,969 one of the most famous musicians in old 657 00:32:22,249 --> 00:32:20,820 ed he was in his studio and he he saw 658 00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:22,259 movement out of the corner of his eye 659 00:32:28,609 --> 00:32:26,190 and coming through the closed door was a 660 00:32:30,979 --> 00:32:28,619 line of he said they're about eight or 661 00:32:32,269 --> 00:32:30,989 nine inches tall and he says they're 662 00:32:34,639 --> 00:32:32,279 about seven or eight of them when they 663 00:32:37,849 --> 00:32:34,649 came through the door and in a line they 664 00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:37,859 marched right right by him two feet away 665 00:32:43,099 --> 00:32:41,070 and then disappeared in the wall it was 666 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:43,109 through the wall of a studio he said 667 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:45,690 they were just in little robes and had 668 00:32:51,739 --> 00:32:48,690 these tall like Keystone cop hats on and 669 00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:51,749 he said um they all went to the wall and 670 00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:53,580 then the last one stopped and it turned 671 00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,710 around and it looked at him and gave him 672 00:33:05,419 --> 00:32:58,080 a dirty look and then turn around and 673 00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,429 walk I'm not making this up and he he 674 00:33:09,469 --> 00:33:06,960 had seen other things around this house 675 00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:09,479 and he he just he was too embarrassed to 676 00:33:13,340 --> 00:33:11,369 call me but he said after that he says I 677 00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,350 I know you're gonna think I'm 678 00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:15,600 totally nuts and Andy you know he didn't 679 00:33:20,930 --> 00:33:17,940 drink he didn't do drugs he's a marshal 680 00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:20,940 umpteenth yeah no mushrooms you know 681 00:33:27,370 --> 00:33:24,990 he's a really spiritual guys black you 682 00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:27,380 know umpteenth black belt in karate and 683 00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:31,470 had 40 patents and you had the patent 684 00:33:36,529 --> 00:33:34,260 for the electronic guitar was a keyboard 685 00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:36,539 player on the Star Trek theme on all the 686 00:33:42,770 --> 00:33:39,179 golden age of television stuff 600 film 687 00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:42,780 and TV credits not a lightweight and not 688 00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:45,480 somebody that you would you know think 689 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:48,409 was gonna be trying to you know come 690 00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:51,330 hallucinate something a weird experience 691 00:33:55,399 --> 00:33:54,059 like that and it came on the heels of a 692 00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:55,409 bunch of stuff that had been happening 693 00:34:00,850 --> 00:33:58,320 around his house and it just so happens 694 00:34:03,730 --> 00:34:00,860 he happens to live by some sort of 695 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:03,740 portal or doorway to some other realm 696 00:34:08,659 --> 00:34:06,210 it's right over the hill from his house 697 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:08,669 that I was able to finally after years 698 00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:11,609 of painting it down I was able to ID the 699 00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:14,040 actual spot talk about a place to put 700 00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:17,520 some gear that would be home and I would 701 00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:22,020 love to put some gear there that's one 702 00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:25,830 of the strangest stories yeah I know I 703 00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,710 know it's it's just bizarre why do you 704 00:34:33,830 --> 00:34:31,679 think there are locations you just 705 00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,840 mentioned a portal a possible portal 706 00:34:38,090 --> 00:34:35,520 whatever I just said but why do you 707 00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:38,100 think there are locations where there 708 00:34:46,099 --> 00:34:42,350 are hotspots and and you know all these 709 00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,109 it's not unusual that there's other 710 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:49,919 things besides UFOs and what is a UFO 711 00:34:56,090 --> 00:34:53,250 hotspot yeah well I have a little 712 00:34:57,859 --> 00:34:56,100 formula that if you you can say these 713 00:35:00,020 --> 00:34:57,869 five things about a place it's going to 714 00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:00,030 be a hotspot area it's a place that's 715 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:02,790 held as sacred to the indigenous people 716 00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:05,130 of the area a place that has sacred 717 00:35:10,099 --> 00:35:07,380 sites that go back into prehistory a 718 00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,109 place it has ebbing and flowing waves of 719 00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:12,900 unusual activity not just one thing but 720 00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:16,590 but multiple things it's also a place 721 00:35:23,090 --> 00:35:19,740 that has unusual geophysical properties 722 00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:23,100 whether it's a like in the case of the 723 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:25,500 San Luis Valley minimum and maximum 724 00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,330 magnetic field strength 725 00:35:32,090 --> 00:35:29,520 butted up against one another in close 726 00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:32,100 proximity and also in the case of the 727 00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:33,780 valley and also like places like 728 00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:35,640 Wilshire and England you have 729 00:35:40,820 --> 00:35:38,310 alternating layers of water clay and 730 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:40,830 sand which creates almost like a natural 731 00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:46,410 battery I really have a sense that veins 732 00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:48,390 of quartz 733 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:53,400 Cristo's in fact on super cold dry 734 00:35:58,460 --> 00:35:56,610 winter nights it's pretty rare I've only 735 00:36:02,050 --> 00:35:58,470 seen it once or twice but you can see 736 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:02,060 the the actual cold electricity 737 00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:03,930 grounding from the quartz in the 738 00:36:11,180 --> 00:36:05,510 mountains going up into the atmosphere 739 00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:11,190 and so there's a lot of quartz there and 740 00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:13,710 usually an area like this will have a 741 00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,870 military or government presence and 742 00:36:20,030 --> 00:36:17,760 oftentimes the government's trying to 743 00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:20,040 expand their presence further into the 744 00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:24,750 area to get more control of the area so 745 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:26,910 if you have those five things chances 746 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:28,530 are you're gonna have a place like 747 00:36:33,110 --> 00:36:31,530 Sedona or around Mount Shasta you know 748 00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:33,120 there's some other spots in the Pacific 749 00:36:39,380 --> 00:36:37,080 Northwest Pine Bush white sands down in 750 00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:39,390 New Mexico there's some really cool 751 00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:43,380 places in in Idaho and Montana there's 752 00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,480 places all all up and down the Ohio 753 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:48,240 River Valley where your mountain culture 754 00:36:55,340 --> 00:36:51,090 used to be located oftentimes those 755 00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:55,350 mounds are on sites that that have that 756 00:37:01,930 --> 00:36:58,260 those five elements involved so that's 757 00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:01,940 kind of a formula that you can use and 758 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:05,160 it's it's it's interesting when when 759 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:06,930 things are gonna happen in the San Luis 760 00:37:11,090 --> 00:37:08,850 Valley we see these things I call cheap 761 00:37:14,330 --> 00:37:11,100 fireworks they're like giant bottle 762 00:37:16,340 --> 00:37:14,340 rockets that fizzle out and I've seen 763 00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,350 them below me and altitude complete 764 00:37:23,090 --> 00:37:18,960 uniform overcast sky and the thing 765 00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:23,100 arched over Spanish Creek which is lined 766 00:37:28,070 --> 00:37:26,430 with trees and it was just dark enough 767 00:37:30,260 --> 00:37:28,080 so that you could see the light from the 768 00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:30,270 object was actually illuminating the 769 00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:32,520 tops of the trees these cheap fireworks 770 00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:34,590 tend to happen at the beginning of a 771 00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:37,260 wave of activity and then boom will have 772 00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:40,260 UFO reports will have you know crypto 773 00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:41,220 sightings 774 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:44,190 one year was flying humanoids we had a 775 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:48,330 whole flurry of sightings some of these 776 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,609 undulating forms that I call prairie 777 00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:53,040 dragons that people see they think you 778 00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,720 know they usually see them out of the 779 00:37:58,580 --> 00:37:55,920 corner of their eye and so they don't 780 00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,590 really pay attention but I was actually 781 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:00,720 seen looked right at one in it he went 782 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:04,170 right in front of me then when the wave 783 00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:06,510 is over in a matter of days or a week or 784 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:09,060 a month then you'll have more cheap 785 00:38:14,359 --> 00:38:10,770 fireworks that kind of indicate the end 786 00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:14,369 of the of the cycle so you know once 787 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:16,440 you've been in an area like I was there 788 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:19,140 for you know doing full its full time 789 00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,930 investigating as I could you start to if 790 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:24,480 you're writing everything down you can 791 00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:26,130 start to determine that there are some 792 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:29,160 patterns within the data and that you 793 00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,090 can you can almost see how things kind 794 00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:36,240 of unfold in an area like the San Luis 795 00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:38,820 Valley and there there is a what appears 796 00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:41,520 to be a sequence of events that rushes 797 00:38:49,220 --> 00:38:46,200 in and ushers out away and I do feel at 798 00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,230 the San Luis Valley is arguably the has 799 00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:52,320 the most variety and intensity of 800 00:38:57,740 --> 00:38:55,470 unexplained occurrences anywhere in 801 00:39:01,609 --> 00:38:57,750 North America I have not heard of a 802 00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:01,619 place that has more and an intense - I 803 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:05,099 had in in the middle of a wave I had 17 804 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:07,170 phone calls in one day about five 805 00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:11,330 separate events just give you an idea 806 00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:15,240 well how active it can be yeah how about 807 00:39:20,180 --> 00:39:17,790 that you know that I've been to four 808 00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:20,190 corners and I've I've been up to the 809 00:39:25,579 --> 00:39:22,140 Shasta Wat when I lived out in 810 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:25,589 California I would go up to this Lake 811 00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,770 area up there just q that's the county 812 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:34,560 yeah so I would go there quite a bit and 813 00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:38,970 I do remember I definitely remember 814 00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:41,820 feeling there was like I wanted to get 815 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:43,500 out of four corners when I went there 816 00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:48,450 that area something felt really it felt 817 00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:49,950 really weird and this before I was 818 00:39:53,089 --> 00:39:52,680 looking into UFOs at all this was many 819 00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,099 years ago 820 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:54,720 same thing with Shasta there 821 00:39:59,330 --> 00:39:56,490 a few areas up there that I just had 822 00:40:01,880 --> 00:39:59,340 just a strange feeling nothing else I 823 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:01,890 didn't see anything nothing like that 824 00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:05,970 but but I do hear there's a lot you know 825 00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:07,380 since I moved out of that area I heard 826 00:40:12,020 --> 00:40:09,780 there is a lot in chests and I've never 827 00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:12,030 really heard of any main incident are 828 00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:14,820 you aware of any you know incident or is 829 00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:17,400 it just like things are dying it's just 830 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:19,619 I mean if you look at some of these 831 00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:22,170 stories of the wind - and other natives 832 00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,660 in the area and then equate it to some 833 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:26,400 of the events that have been reported 834 00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:28,490 down to the years 835 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:30,750 again the Deb's and flows and it's 836 00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,510 fairly consistent there as well as 837 00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:35,040 around Mount Adams that the big 838 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:37,710 volcanoes for some reason tend to have 839 00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:40,730 this kind of activity Mount st. Helens 840 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:44,430 Mount Rainier those big mountains there 841 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:48,450 along the Cascade Range in the Pacific 842 00:40:54,130 --> 00:40:51,690 Coast mountains you know do have a lot 843 00:40:57,550 --> 00:40:54,140 of very interesting stuff going on I 844 00:41:00,500 --> 00:40:57,560 can't really think of anything offhand 845 00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:00,510 of course you have your your apocryphal 846 00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:03,180 stories of the the white robed white 847 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:07,040 haired it's all kind of Nordic looking 848 00:41:13,579 --> 00:41:11,010 hitchhikers that some people claim live 849 00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:13,589 inside Mount Shasta and of course they 850 00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:18,270 do in hey hey someone just posted 851 00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:20,820 something on we have to go to break and 852 00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:22,830 now as like let's see how many minutes 853 00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:26,640 looks like seven minutes so I do want to 854 00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:28,200 get into this subject a little bit and I 855 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:29,520 wondered if you looked into it I think 856 00:41:35,089 --> 00:41:31,730 last time you were gonna be on we 857 00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:35,099 briefly talked about it or passed an 858 00:41:40,339 --> 00:41:37,560 email about it the drones the drone 859 00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:40,349 situation out there any AHA Loretto have 860 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:43,920 have you looked into that at all yeah 861 00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:45,510 and a friend of mine is really doing 862 00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:47,099 some major digging on that there's 863 00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:49,619 there's something going on there may be 864 00:41:53,140 --> 00:41:51,540 some sort of espionage it may have 865 00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:53,150 something to do with the Chinese 866 00:41:59,660 --> 00:41:57,420 evidently the the u.s. is now put a 867 00:42:02,349 --> 00:41:59,670 moratorium on any Chinese drone sales 868 00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:02,359 and I have a real strong hunch that 869 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:06,060 there may be a connection if you look at 870 00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:08,490 a map where the drone events are being 871 00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:10,260 ported and then look a map at a map of 872 00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,020 the the missile fields of our ballistic 873 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:15,440 missile sites in Wyoming Montana 874 00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:18,570 Nebraska and Colorado it's in the same 875 00:42:27,130 --> 00:42:22,190 area it may be some sort of systematic 876 00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,140 you know I guess it would be espionage 877 00:42:32,359 --> 00:42:29,280 that's that's about as close as I can 878 00:42:34,359 --> 00:42:32,369 get it's also the hardest hit area back 879 00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:34,369 in the 70s for cattle mutilations oh 880 00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:38,280 yeah that that is a subject I did want 881 00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:41,160 to talk a little bit about but but was 882 00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:45,060 it weren't there reports of the actions 883 00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,660 of these drones or some characteristics 884 00:42:51,740 --> 00:42:50,160 about them that where people were saying 885 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:51,750 well that that doesn't sound like a 886 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:55,170 drone or that any part of that have you 887 00:42:59,600 --> 00:42:57,570 heard about well yeah some of them were 888 00:43:02,570 --> 00:42:59,610 pretty large from what I understand that 889 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:02,580 they were the real big ones and and they 890 00:43:06,830 --> 00:43:04,770 don't have the high-pitched whine that 891 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:06,840 the the smaller ones like the phantoms 892 00:43:12,020 --> 00:43:09,570 and the you know the smaller drones do 893 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:12,030 they have a deeper deeper sound because 894 00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:15,450 the engines are bigger so you know and 895 00:43:20,420 --> 00:43:19,200 this is one group UFO group I think they 896 00:43:22,609 --> 00:43:20,430 came forward and claimed that it was 897 00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:22,619 them and I think they were just looking 898 00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:29,150 for publicity this was a real extensive 899 00:43:36,590 --> 00:43:33,440 flight program that somebody was in 900 00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:36,600 acting it was there was a lot of 901 00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:40,980 activity and it it sounds like either 902 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:43,230 some big corporation or were the 903 00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:46,410 government or maybe even or another like 904 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:48,630 I said it could be the Chinese the 905 00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:51,330 Russians who knows I haven't really dug 906 00:43:56,660 --> 00:43:53,700 into it that much but I have a friend 907 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:56,670 who's really digging into it and he's 908 00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:57,930 been uncovering some pretty interesting 909 00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:00,780 stuff that he's gonna do an article or 910 00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:04,020 something at some point about it it 911 00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:05,700 seems to have dropped off I haven't 912 00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:07,350 heard very much about it in the last 913 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:09,900 three weeks or so right so I'm not sure 914 00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:12,930 if those sightings are continuing or and 915 00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:14,520 we're just not hearing about them or or 916 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:16,710 they've they've actually subsided I 917 00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:20,010 wonder if any one I believe I read that 918 00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:21,720 someone did ask 919 00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:24,480 there was any military you know side of 920 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:26,609 this and they said no the there was 921 00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:30,810 nothing the military was involved in you 922 00:44:35,570 --> 00:44:33,510 know but I guess that's not true because 923 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:35,580 there were waves of drones and then 924 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:37,530 other drones would come and chase the 925 00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:40,290 other drones so there were what appeared 926 00:44:46,339 --> 00:44:43,369 to be confrontations drone on drones so 927 00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:46,349 that yeah you don't hear much about that 928 00:44:51,260 --> 00:44:48,540 but you know if these things are flying 929 00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,270 into restricted airspace around missile 930 00:44:55,810 --> 00:44:53,280 silos you know there's gonna be some 931 00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:55,820 sort of military or government response 932 00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:57,660 yeah right 933 00:45:01,070 --> 00:44:58,980 I don't know what I was thinking about 934 00:45:03,380 --> 00:45:01,080 time we still have about nine minutes 935 00:45:05,570 --> 00:45:03,390 left I said seven minutes about five 936 00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:05,580 minutes ago I'm not good at math tonight 937 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:07,710 that Wow 938 00:45:13,609 --> 00:45:10,170 so yeah you haven't heard about anything 939 00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:13,619 happening with them lately and so so 940 00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:15,270 maybe it's something that won't occur 941 00:45:20,570 --> 00:45:19,230 again but but I know people there are 942 00:45:23,060 --> 00:45:20,580 some people are really looking for 943 00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,070 answers and then want to know what it is 944 00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:25,260 what's going on yeah I don't know if 945 00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:27,230 you've ever been in that area but it's 946 00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:30,420 it's really the middle of nowhere where 947 00:45:37,310 --> 00:45:32,630 is it exactly again it's right we're 948 00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,320 Nebraska Colorado and you know kind of 949 00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:38,640 Wyoming you're Montana come together 950 00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:43,680 there it's so be south western Nebraska 951 00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:48,260 northeastern Colorado yeah 952 00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:51,680 northeastern nebraska oh wait a minute 953 00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,420 I'm getting confused it's right up there 954 00:46:00,440 --> 00:45:56,640 in the corner of Colorado Weld County 955 00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:00,450 and then over the Platte River into 956 00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:04,020 Nebraska and then I think into Wyoming 957 00:46:08,570 --> 00:46:06,119 and that's right where all the missile 958 00:46:10,930 --> 00:46:08,580 fields are so it's right around the 959 00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:10,940 missile fields that is interesting 960 00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:13,920 interesting well you know we may not 961 00:46:20,540 --> 00:46:17,220 know much about that so the cattle 962 00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:20,550 mutilations now you just mentioned a few 963 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:23,849 minutes ago that and the area in 964 00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:25,290 particular was where there was a lot of 965 00:46:30,589 --> 00:46:27,150 cattle mutilations yeah 966 00:46:33,859 --> 00:46:30,599 yeah quite a number hundreds hundreds 967 00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:33,869 and and you are the guy when it comes to 968 00:46:37,150 --> 00:46:34,670 that 969 00:46:39,490 --> 00:46:37,160 remind me it was stalking the herd is 970 00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:39,500 that the name of your book correct yeah 971 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:42,800 when did that come out how how long I 972 00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:44,090 know we've talked about it on the show 973 00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,180 before but again there's a lot of people 974 00:46:50,590 --> 00:46:48,560 yeah how long did it take you to put 975 00:46:51,790 --> 00:46:50,600 that book together and why don't you 976 00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:51,800 talk a little bit about that 977 00:46:58,140 --> 00:46:55,190 well yeah it's probably my least 978 00:47:03,580 --> 00:46:58,150 favorite thing to do in life is is 979 00:47:06,580 --> 00:47:03,590 investigating dead rotting cows it's it 980 00:47:08,770 --> 00:47:06,590 really was not pleasant but because back 981 00:47:10,810 --> 00:47:08,780 in the 90s we had so many cases that 982 00:47:13,630 --> 00:47:10,820 were being reported and nobody was 983 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:13,640 really looking into them that I kind of 984 00:47:18,070 --> 00:47:16,090 got caught up in in the intrigue of 985 00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:18,080 thousands of pounds of physical evidence 986 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:21,760 you know and you know it's the only 987 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:24,290 supposed paranormal phenomena on the 988 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:27,170 leaves behind you know thousands of 989 00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:30,410 pounds of evidence and that part of it 990 00:47:36,580 --> 00:47:34,550 just was very hard to ignore and the 991 00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,590 ranching community really was in need of 992 00:47:41,890 --> 00:47:39,680 somebody to to at least you know look 993 00:47:45,850 --> 00:47:41,900 into it and try to come up with some 994 00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:45,860 answers and by the time I had really 995 00:47:52,090 --> 00:47:48,110 gotten going and had I don't know 996 00:47:55,540 --> 00:47:52,100 several dozen of them under my belt the 997 00:47:58,690 --> 00:47:55,550 local sheriff's departments realized hey 998 00:48:01,720 --> 00:47:58,700 this guy is willing to go there and do 999 00:48:04,210 --> 00:48:01,730 the work and send off forensic samples 1000 00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:04,220 and implant and soil samples in a few 1001 00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:08,440 cases I was part of a study and and so 1002 00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,160 they would literally kind of call me and 1003 00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,680 have me be the investigator so I was 1004 00:48:18,250 --> 00:48:16,880 getting everything right from them 1005 00:48:21,730 --> 00:48:18,260 please 1006 00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:21,740 Sheriff's dispatch and in going out and 1007 00:48:27,070 --> 00:48:25,640 and you know helping trying to help the 1008 00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:27,080 ranchers cope with it it's it's very 1009 00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:30,920 scary when you know good breeding cow is 1010 00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:36,310 found with no sign of cause of death 1011 00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,630 oftentimes its own tracks aren't even 1012 00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,640 there sometimes they're in the wrong 1013 00:48:45,439 --> 00:48:42,319 pasture 1014 00:48:51,049 --> 00:48:45,449 and you know define soft tissue organs 1015 00:48:54,109 --> 00:48:51,059 gone with the dogs not barking nobody's 1016 00:48:57,859 --> 00:48:54,119 seen anything or occasionally lights or 1017 00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:57,869 seen or helicopters this this is really 1018 00:49:02,089 --> 00:48:59,819 spooky I mean number one the guys out 1019 00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:02,099 you know anywhere from four hundred to a 1020 00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,160 thousand dollars even more plus if it's 1021 00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:07,920 a breeding cow that cow is not going to 1022 00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:09,900 be having babies for the next four or 1023 00:49:16,579 --> 00:49:12,839 five years so this is a real financial 1024 00:49:21,439 --> 00:49:16,589 hit on you know these small ranching 1025 00:49:23,299 --> 00:49:21,449 operations and you know somebody I just 1026 00:49:26,449 --> 00:49:23,309 felt that somebody you know should be 1027 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:26,459 looking into this and I don't care what 1028 00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:28,170 any of the skeptics say some of these 1029 00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:30,689 cases without question are being 1030 00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:33,900 perpetrated by someone with intelligence 1031 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:36,569 and with the aid of sharp cutting 1032 00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,130 implements one one thing that you know 1033 00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:44,160 I've literally work 22 years researching 1034 00:49:49,999 --> 00:49:47,160 the book and it took me 18 solid months 1035 00:49:51,979 --> 00:49:50,009 to write it I combined all the known 1036 00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:51,989 databases together I was the only person 1037 00:49:58,479 --> 00:49:54,900 that really knew everybody and one 1038 00:50:02,299 --> 00:49:58,489 exception and you know David Perkins 1039 00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:02,309 help me do the research and and was 1040 00:50:07,579 --> 00:50:04,529 instrumental in helping me gain access 1041 00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:07,589 to the main databases and this is the 1042 00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:09,089 first time anyone has really tried to 1043 00:50:13,549 --> 00:50:11,099 put all the information together in one 1044 00:50:15,799 --> 00:50:13,559 book and be objective about it and not 1045 00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:15,809 just you know put blinders on and look 1046 00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,089 at five or ten percent of the data that 1047 00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,880 supports an alien conclusion or look at 1048 00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:22,559 the cases that support a predator 1049 00:50:27,229 --> 00:50:25,920 inclusion you know mundane scavenger 1050 00:50:29,929 --> 00:50:27,239 action 1051 00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:29,939 I look at all the data and I tried to be 1052 00:50:35,509 --> 00:50:32,209 as objective as possible and and 1053 00:50:36,969 --> 00:50:35,519 non-judgmental and you know I I'm really 1054 00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:36,979 proud of the book it's probably what 1055 00:50:46,329 --> 00:50:41,849 I'll be most remembered for I good luck 1056 00:50:48,529 --> 00:50:46,339 trying to top it I mean you know it's 1057 00:50:51,169 --> 00:50:48,539 round of it yeah 1058 00:50:53,660 --> 00:50:51,179 were there any cases I've heard this 1059 00:50:55,950 --> 00:50:53,670 before and tell me if you've ever saw a 1060 00:51:00,450 --> 00:50:55,960 case where it almost appeared as if 1061 00:51:04,530 --> 00:51:00,460 cow had been dropped yes many many I've 1062 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:04,540 had many yeah at least a dozen if not 1063 00:51:14,730 --> 00:51:09,010 more in fact we found a pile of three I 1064 00:51:16,890 --> 00:51:14,740 think it was three three cows with horns 1065 00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:16,900 and a horse and they had been dropped in 1066 00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:19,750 one pile and the horns had been snapped 1067 00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:21,640 off on the bottom side the ribs had been 1068 00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:23,560 broken right next to the rib to the 1069 00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,800 spine it looked like they've been 1070 00:51:32,070 --> 00:51:29,440 dropped from a considerable height we've 1071 00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:32,080 had cases of cows that appear to have 1072 00:51:40,109 --> 00:51:35,680 clamp marks on their their rear ends 1073 00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:40,119 their back and in the rear legs we've 1074 00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:43,839 had cows that have their heads twisted 1075 00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:45,790 around because they've been dropped in 1076 00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:50,520 you know and landed in an awkward way 1077 00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:53,260 many of these animals do appear to have 1078 00:51:58,020 --> 00:51:54,910 been dropped from you know fairly 1079 00:51:59,700 --> 00:51:58,030 considerable height and of course you 1080 00:52:05,220 --> 00:51:59,710 know there's been so many helicopter 1081 00:52:07,650 --> 00:52:05,230 sightings associated with the cases in a 1082 00:52:10,140 --> 00:52:07,660 lot of times the ranches aren't aren't 1083 00:52:12,089 --> 00:52:10,150 gonna report these things because they 1084 00:52:14,250 --> 00:52:12,099 know nothing good will come of it that 1085 00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:14,260 no one's gonna come up with an answer no 1086 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:16,510 one's gonna be you know charging anybody 1087 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:19,170 all it's going to do is give the rancher 1088 00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:22,089 unwanted publicity it'll make him look 1089 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:25,560 stigmatized in the community and so 1090 00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:28,690 generally I think now very few ranchers 1091 00:52:35,849 --> 00:52:30,910 over-reporting them but the ones that do 1092 00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:35,859 report them oftentimes they report 1093 00:52:39,690 --> 00:52:38,200 because they they see helicopters you 1094 00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,700 know you know if they see helicopters 1095 00:52:44,220 --> 00:52:41,200 and they think they're being victimized 1096 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:44,230 by their government and and so that that 1097 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:47,410 kind of ticks them off and and they you 1098 00:52:53,130 --> 00:52:49,570 know an angry Rancher will be more apt 1099 00:52:53,970 --> 00:52:53,140 to call and file a report then a rancher 1100 00:52:56,820 --> 00:52:53,980 who's scared 1101 00:53:00,270 --> 00:52:56,830 and so you I really do think that 1102 00:53:02,070 --> 00:53:00,280 there's a you know maybe one in ten or 1103 00:53:03,749 --> 00:53:02,080 being reported I think it's much more 1104 00:53:08,359 --> 00:53:03,759 pervasive than 1105 00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:08,369 and then you would think we've had cases 1106 00:53:15,149 --> 00:53:12,329 lately in Oregon which is highly unusual 1107 00:53:17,729 --> 00:53:15,159 anything west of the Rockies is fairly 1108 00:53:20,089 --> 00:53:17,739 unusual we've had cases in central and 1109 00:53:23,819 --> 00:53:20,099 northern Florida in southern Georgia 1110 00:53:26,189 --> 00:53:23,829 there's been cases in Nebraska about 1111 00:53:30,449 --> 00:53:26,199 five or six years ago we had cases in 1112 00:53:32,339 --> 00:53:30,459 Missouri we've had possibly some cases 1113 00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:32,349 in southern Colorado but I think they're 1114 00:53:39,209 --> 00:53:34,630 equivocal I wouldn't I wouldn't count 1115 00:53:42,409 --> 00:53:39,219 them in the in the totals but we've had 1116 00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:42,419 some cases in in Europe we've had a 1117 00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:47,380 sheep mutilations in in Wales which is 1118 00:53:53,370 --> 00:53:50,169 you know the western part of the middle 1119 00:53:55,379 --> 00:53:53,380 of the Midlands in England did this 1120 00:53:57,569 --> 00:53:55,389 shows did this we have to go in one 1121 00:53:59,459 --> 00:53:57,579 minute for for a break did this all 1122 00:54:02,509 --> 00:53:59,469 start with Skippy the horse is that what 1123 00:54:05,759 --> 00:54:02,519 I remember no snippy but no it started 1124 00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:05,769 yeah I started back in 1605 as my 1125 00:54:11,999 --> 00:54:09,609 earliest I can find how all right so we 1126 00:54:14,729 --> 00:54:12,009 are going into break so this is a real 1127 00:54:16,919 --> 00:54:14,739 break so hang in there hang in there 1128 00:54:20,539 --> 00:54:16,929 everyone we'll be right back right after 1129 00:54:26,219 --> 00:54:22,949 my guest this evening is Christopher 1130 00:54:29,699 --> 00:54:26,229 O'Brien and before we headed into the 1131 00:54:32,969 --> 00:54:29,709 break we were talking about Academy 1132 00:54:34,829 --> 00:54:32,979 relations and fascinating subject that 1133 00:54:37,709 --> 00:54:34,839 another thing that doesn't make any 1134 00:54:40,379 --> 00:54:37,719 sense that is happening another thing in 1135 00:54:44,939 --> 00:54:40,389 the real world I should say that happens 1136 00:54:46,379 --> 00:54:44,949 that is so hard to explain and I saw 1137 00:54:48,809 --> 00:54:46,389 some questions in the chat room and 1138 00:54:51,169 --> 00:54:48,819 basically people who are asking what 1139 00:54:53,579 --> 00:54:51,179 have you ever come up with a conclusion 1140 00:54:55,469 --> 00:54:53,589 some type of conclusion or what your 1141 00:55:00,539 --> 00:54:55,479 thoughts are why they say why these 1142 00:55:04,169 --> 00:55:00,549 things happen well I I think number one 1143 00:55:05,729 --> 00:55:04,179 there there is no hard fast answer I 1144 00:55:07,769 --> 00:55:05,739 have a sense that there's multiple 1145 00:55:09,870 --> 00:55:07,779 groups involved doing this for four 1146 00:55:12,629 --> 00:55:09,880 different agendas and they're all kind 1147 00:55:14,879 --> 00:55:12,639 of inner weaving there there are gender 1148 00:55:16,979 --> 00:55:14,889 as with others and in some cases to try 1149 00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:16,989 to throw investigators in law 1150 00:55:21,090 --> 00:55:17,590 enforcement 1151 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:21,100 their tract and in hide their cases in 1152 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:23,890 and amongst others I think there's not 1153 00:55:29,810 --> 00:55:26,290 multiple of things that can be 1154 00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:29,820 determined one of the things that I've 1155 00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,420 I've noticed is that well first of all 1156 00:55:39,090 --> 00:55:35,920 you know beef is the largest income 1157 00:55:40,830 --> 00:55:39,100 producer in agriculture in other words 1158 00:55:44,970 --> 00:55:40,840 more money is generated through selling 1159 00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:44,980 beef than any other part of the large 1160 00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:50,200 you know agribusiness and the beef lobby 1161 00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,510 in this country is probably the most 1162 00:55:58,620 --> 00:55:54,880 powerful lobby that you never hear 1163 00:56:00,750 --> 00:55:58,630 anything about except if you're Oprah 1164 00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,760 and you say on the air you're not going 1165 00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:03,280 to eat another hamburger again and get 1166 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:07,870 sued for two billion dollars that that's 1167 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:09,610 the only time that you hear about the 1168 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:12,210 beef industry or the old Robert Mitchum 1169 00:56:18,450 --> 00:56:14,530 commercials beef it's what's for dinner 1170 00:56:21,630 --> 00:56:18,460 right the beef industry is incredibly 1171 00:56:24,140 --> 00:56:21,640 powerful we slaughter one cow about 1172 00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:24,150 every second in this country while 1173 00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:28,870 McDonald's alone buys a billion pounds 1174 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:34,000 of beef a year this is you know this is 1175 00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:38,530 a huge a huge business and one thing 1176 00:56:44,310 --> 00:56:41,680 that I do in stalking heard is I show in 1177 00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:44,320 the first chapter how our relationship 1178 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:47,230 would cattle has evolved from twelve 1179 00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:48,850 thousand five hundred years ago when we 1180 00:56:53,070 --> 00:56:51,430 first started domesticating these giant 1181 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:53,080 creatures called Oryx that were the 1182 00:57:02,370 --> 00:56:57,490 progenitor specie to modern-day domestic 1183 00:57:04,860 --> 00:57:02,380 cows and cattle and back then we worship 1184 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:04,870 cows I mean it was a big deal the bull 1185 00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:07,690 and and in the calf and stuff I mean 1186 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:10,390 it's even in the Bible Aaron and Moses 1187 00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:12,010 may have been competing priests and 1188 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:15,910 competing cattle cults for instance you 1189 00:57:20,420 --> 00:57:17,530 don't see reference to cattle too much 1190 00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:20,430 in the Bible James the first took out 1191 00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:23,470 most of the references to cattle in the 1192 00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:25,060 Bible there were used to be tons of them 1193 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:27,460 and isn't it interesting that right when 1194 00:57:32,339 --> 00:57:30,130 he was beginning that process 100 1195 00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:32,349 and hundreds of sleep sheep rather were 1196 00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:35,230 being slain around London with their 1197 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:37,750 inward parts taken in the meat and the 1198 00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:40,690 in the the wolves left behind of this 1199 00:57:45,690 --> 00:57:43,240 sundry conjectures but most would agree 1200 00:57:49,529 --> 00:57:45,700 it tendeth toward fireworks was the 1201 00:57:54,569 --> 00:57:49,539 quote in the in the records of James the 1202 00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:54,579 first so you know we run ceremoniously 1203 00:58:02,249 --> 00:57:58,240 slaughtering millions of head of cattle 1204 00:58:07,019 --> 00:58:02,259 and it's it's a ritual act but it's it's 1205 00:58:09,870 --> 00:58:07,029 not done with reverence that's the 1206 00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:09,880 difference between kosher meat for 1207 00:58:15,930 --> 00:58:13,720 instance and and and you know the way 1208 00:58:18,539 --> 00:58:15,940 the some other cultures slaughter 1209 00:58:21,029 --> 00:58:18,549 animals it's done with reverence 1210 00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:21,039 we run ceremoniously slaughtering 1211 00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:24,609 animals and I think what we're doing is 1212 00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:27,670 we're creating what could be called sort 1213 00:58:35,849 --> 00:58:31,599 of a kind of a psychic Riptide and I 1214 00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:35,859 think in one thing that I'm fairly 1215 00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:38,200 certain of is that the beef industry and 1216 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:41,440 the government is deathly afraid of mad 1217 00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:42,490 cow disease 1218 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:44,380 all of a sudden appearing in the food 1219 00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:49,450 chain and I think that out of all the 1220 00:58:55,259 --> 00:58:52,529 overriding potential explanations 1221 00:58:58,079 --> 00:58:55,269 checking the food chain and testing the 1222 00:59:01,650 --> 00:58:58,089 environment for for one of the worst 1223 00:59:04,140 --> 00:59:01,660 scourge is not known to man the prion 1224 00:59:07,470 --> 00:59:04,150 disease is I think one of the main 1225 00:59:12,329 --> 00:59:07,480 motivators for the mutilations I also 1226 00:59:14,099 --> 00:59:12,339 think that there's cases that may be 1227 00:59:17,490 --> 00:59:14,109 checking the environment for residual 1228 00:59:19,079 --> 00:59:17,500 radiation the areas that tend to be hit 1229 00:59:22,109 --> 00:59:19,089 the hardest in North America at least 1230 00:59:25,499 --> 00:59:22,119 are areas that had most of the 1231 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:25,509 above-ground nuclear test site fallout 1232 00:59:32,370 --> 00:59:29,490 and that the combination of copper and 1233 00:59:34,529 --> 00:59:32,380 it makes the animals more susceptible to 1234 00:59:36,180 --> 00:59:34,539 breaking out with prion disease all 1235 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:36,190 animals have prions in them it's just 1236 00:59:39,769 --> 00:59:38,650 just like HIV it kicks off into 1237 00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:39,779 full-blown 1238 00:59:46,730 --> 00:59:43,920 you know chronic wasting disease 1239 00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:46,740 if if if the environmental factors are 1240 00:59:52,930 --> 00:59:50,160 correct it's it's a really complicated 1241 00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:52,940 subject but I have a feeling that those 1242 00:59:59,660 --> 00:59:57,000 those are probably the main motivations 1243 01:00:01,550 --> 00:59:59,670 I think behind the the modern phase of 1244 01:00:04,460 --> 01:00:01,560 it at the core there is something high 1245 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:04,470 strange going on there are cases that 1246 01:00:08,420 --> 01:00:06,810 cannot be explained those are the cases 1247 01:00:11,380 --> 01:00:08,430 that people like Linda Howe and Chuck 1248 01:00:14,780 --> 01:00:11,390 Zukowski and others are really 1249 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:14,790 interested in but they only are about 1250 01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:17,010 five or ten percent of the total of 1251 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:22,470 cases the other 90% are not done by some 1252 01:00:28,310 --> 01:00:25,770 hi strange a perpetrator whether it's an 1253 01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:28,320 alien whether it's a dimensional you 1254 01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:33,780 know predator or high-tech chefs coming 1255 01:00:37,850 --> 01:00:35,640 back in the future to harvest the 1256 01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:37,860 illegal cattle parts you know you could 1257 01:00:42,830 --> 01:00:39,900 come up with all kinds of interesting 1258 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:42,840 scenarios to explain excuse me what the 1259 01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:44,970 high-tech you know the the highest range 1260 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:47,790 cases are but I think the majority of 1261 01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:49,290 them are done with sharp scalpels by 1262 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:52,470 very very skilled surgeons who are doing 1263 01:00:57,140 --> 01:00:55,170 this to test the environment it's not so 1264 01:01:00,190 --> 01:00:57,150 much the cow it's where it is in the 1265 01:01:02,540 --> 01:01:00,200 environment that's important and 1266 01:01:05,180 --> 01:01:02,550 stalking the herd goes into all the 1267 01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:05,190 various explanations looks and how they 1268 01:01:10,220 --> 01:01:07,980 started and then traces the meme into 1269 01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:10,230 the present day and shows how they all 1270 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:14,400 could be possible there's a lot of 1271 01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:16,050 evidence to support each one of these 1272 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:17,880 theories but then there's way more 1273 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:22,170 evidence to refute them so that's why I 1274 01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:23,370 think we're dealing with something 1275 01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:26,310 that's multifarious that it is not one 1276 01:01:34,070 --> 01:01:32,280 size fits all well you know you touched 1277 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:34,080 on something early when we started 1278 01:01:39,050 --> 01:01:36,330 talking about this and that is a the 1279 01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:39,060 lobby you know the they have the 1280 01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:40,980 strongest Lobby and I will tell you this 1281 01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,040 my son is uh has been vegan for I don't 1282 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:47,040 know over a year and and he was telling 1283 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:50,010 me that there is so much propaganda out 1284 01:01:57,019 --> 01:01:53,490 there against you know plant-based diets 1285 01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:57,029 and you know them just saying 1286 01:02:03,049 --> 01:01:58,799 at you know you'll become frail and 1287 01:02:05,539 --> 01:02:03,059 unhealthy and and and you know it's 1288 01:02:07,579 --> 01:02:05,549 deadly to be a vegetarian basically and 1289 01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:07,589 it's and it's supposedly you know 1290 01:02:15,919 --> 01:02:11,849 propaganda from you know the the meat 1291 01:02:19,939 --> 01:02:15,929 industry right and is that you think 1292 01:02:25,189 --> 01:02:19,949 that's so it wouldn't surprise me I I 1293 01:02:29,179 --> 01:02:25,199 don't you know big money has a lot of 1294 01:02:32,029 --> 01:02:29,189 power and influence and I think to 1295 01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,039 counteract the increasing numbers of 1296 01:02:37,269 --> 01:02:34,559 people that are realizing that beef beef 1297 01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:37,279 and the red meat protein isn't isn't 1298 01:02:40,459 --> 01:02:38,640 healthy 1299 01:02:43,069 --> 01:02:40,469 I think obviously they're going to be 1300 01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:43,079 doing there's gonna be some pushback and 1301 01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:45,569 I think that he sees probably right but 1302 01:02:49,819 --> 01:02:47,249 it's not something that you're gonna see 1303 01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:49,829 that's overt I think it's going to be 1304 01:02:56,959 --> 01:02:52,529 it's going to be real kind of 1305 01:02:58,909 --> 01:02:56,969 underhanded if you will but um you know 1306 01:03:04,429 --> 01:02:58,919 think about it there's one point five 1307 01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:04,439 billion cattle on the planet and that's 1308 01:03:08,959 --> 01:03:06,689 a lot of cows that that's if you added 1309 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:08,969 up the weight of that amount of cows 1310 01:03:13,309 --> 01:03:10,650 they're more than the way to all the 1311 01:03:14,929 --> 01:03:13,319 humans on the planet cattle are really 1312 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:14,939 detrimental to the environment and 1313 01:03:18,679 --> 01:03:16,650 they're detrimental to human health 1314 01:03:22,249 --> 01:03:18,689 they're one of the largest sources of 1315 01:03:24,579 --> 01:03:22,259 yeah ozone depleting gas methane second 1316 01:03:28,449 --> 01:03:24,589 largest natural source of methane 1317 01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:28,459 they're the largest cause of deserts 1318 01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:32,400 because cattle really do dig up the 1319 01:03:35,449 --> 01:03:34,049 environment they're the main reason why 1320 01:03:39,949 --> 01:03:35,459 we're cutting down the rainforests to 1321 01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:39,959 make room for more cows they also are 1322 01:03:44,899 --> 01:03:42,209 one of the largest freshwater polluters 1323 01:03:47,739 --> 01:03:44,909 and whenever we have like recalls of 1324 01:03:50,229 --> 01:03:47,749 spinach because of e.coli and stuff 1325 01:03:53,329 --> 01:03:50,239 oftentimes that's a feedlot that's 1326 01:03:54,829 --> 01:03:53,339 that's you know somehow contaminated in 1327 01:03:56,899 --> 01:03:54,839 the groundwater 1328 01:04:00,289 --> 01:03:56,909 you know those areas in the Gulf of 1329 01:04:02,539 --> 01:04:00,299 Mexico off the you know North Carolina 1330 01:04:04,669 --> 01:04:02,549 areas where we have lots of pig farms 1331 01:04:08,449 --> 01:04:04,679 and cattle and stuff that are dead areas 1332 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:08,459 in the ocean and you know like I said 1333 01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:10,650 prion disease anthrax when 1334 01:04:17,090 --> 01:04:12,900 the pest I mean there's a whole bunch of 1335 01:04:19,790 --> 01:04:17,100 diseases that come from cows and and you 1336 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:19,800 know what is it 60 percent of the growth 1337 01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:21,210 or or eighty percent of the growth 1338 01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:23,700 hormones that we used in this country go 1339 01:04:28,070 --> 01:04:26,400 into cattle sixty percent of the end or 1340 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:28,080 eighty percent the antibiotic sixty 1341 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:31,010 percent of the growth hormones steroids 1342 01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,890 go into calves we wonder why our little 1343 01:04:38,330 --> 01:04:36,480 girls are going into puberty at eight 1344 01:04:41,380 --> 01:04:38,340 nine years old it's because of all the 1345 01:04:44,060 --> 01:04:41,390 growth hormones that are in the meat and 1346 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:44,070 you know I I I love beef 1347 01:04:49,790 --> 01:04:46,530 I don't eat it very much but when I do 1348 01:04:52,310 --> 01:04:49,800 it's grass-fed and it comes from a local 1349 01:04:54,830 --> 01:04:52,320 source it's not something that you know 1350 01:04:57,290 --> 01:04:54,840 I get at Walmart or I get it McDonald's 1351 01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:57,300 I will not eat industrialize meat 1352 01:05:03,170 --> 01:05:01,680 protein it's it's really it's you know 1353 01:05:04,130 --> 01:05:03,180 at some point it's going to be like 1354 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:04,140 playing Russian roulette 1355 01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:06,690 we are invariably going to have some 1356 01:05:13,610 --> 01:05:09,680 sort of you know nasty food chain 1357 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:13,620 outbreak and probably yeah yeah I mean 1358 01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:16,410 it's just inevitable it just seems to be 1359 01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:19,980 going that way so you know the book is 1360 01:05:22,670 --> 01:05:21,960 not only about the mystery of cattle 1361 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:22,680 mutilations 1362 01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:25,770 it's about our our very dysfunctional um 1363 01:05:32,060 --> 01:05:28,110 symbiotic and almost incestuous 1364 01:05:34,490 --> 01:05:32,070 relationship with bovines and one thing 1365 01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:34,500 that blows people away when I tell me 1366 01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:36,210 his cattle mutilations only happen in 1367 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:38,400 Christian countries number one and 1368 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:40,890 number two I have never been able to 1369 01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:43,770 find a sacred Brahma cow from India 1370 01:05:47,780 --> 01:05:45,570 that's been mutilated I was gonna have 1371 01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:47,790 all the millions all the millions of 1372 01:05:52,610 --> 01:05:50,880 cows in the world there's not one Brahma 1373 01:05:54,830 --> 01:05:52,620 that I've found that's been mutilated 1374 01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:54,840 and India has never had a cattle 1375 01:05:59,360 --> 01:05:56,460 mutilation case to my to my knowledge 1376 01:06:05,420 --> 01:05:59,370 and they're the largest exporter of beef 1377 01:06:07,790 --> 01:06:05,430 because they don't eat the cows so 1378 01:06:12,220 --> 01:06:07,800 there's but there's McDonald's in India 1379 01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:15,380 290 I think McDonald's or something in 1380 01:06:21,590 --> 01:06:18,720 India but they serve like McHale you and 1381 01:06:23,150 --> 01:06:21,600 with tandoori you know these kind of 1382 01:06:24,049 --> 01:06:23,160 they should serve all that Indian 1383 01:06:26,420 --> 01:06:24,059 McDonald 1384 01:06:27,380 --> 01:06:26,430 food over here a lot healthier yeah 1385 01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:27,390 that's for sure 1386 01:06:31,549 --> 01:06:29,910 well because I believe in it it's really 1387 01:06:35,049 --> 01:06:31,559 gross but I believe you said there's 1388 01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:35,059 something like 500 up to 500 different 1389 01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:37,890 cows and one beef patty 1390 01:06:45,890 --> 01:06:41,729 well McDonald's admits that up to 101 1391 01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:45,900 could be but some some people say 1392 01:06:49,969 --> 01:06:47,640 they're as many as a thousand animals 1393 01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:49,979 could be in one the parts from a 1394 01:06:53,499 --> 01:06:51,569 thousand animals and that doesn't make 1395 01:06:56,449 --> 01:06:53,509 me want to quit McDonald's nothing will 1396 01:06:59,509 --> 01:06:56,459 well you know again I don't want to get 1397 01:07:01,640 --> 01:06:59,519 sued by the beef industry and you know 1398 01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:01,650 I'm not saying don't eat beef I'm just 1399 01:07:06,650 --> 01:07:04,650 saying be real smart about it and eat 1400 01:07:10,519 --> 01:07:06,660 local Mumia as the Greeks used to call 1401 01:07:13,699 --> 01:07:10,529 it you know eat you know meat that's 1402 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:13,709 that's grown in your region and make 1403 01:07:18,859 --> 01:07:15,930 sure it's grass-fed not not from you 1404 01:07:20,959 --> 01:07:18,869 know some feedlot yeah yeah and it's 1405 01:07:24,620 --> 01:07:20,969 it's really an atrocity the way the 1406 01:07:28,779 --> 01:07:24,630 animals are treated yeah yeah it's 1407 01:07:30,979 --> 01:07:28,789 horrific just terrible but okay so that 1408 01:07:33,140 --> 01:07:30,989 that's interesting we you know we're 1409 01:07:35,749 --> 01:07:33,150 going to take calls in about 15 minutes 1410 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:35,759 or so and when we do that you know some 1411 01:07:42,019 --> 01:07:37,650 people may want to bring up some cattle 1412 01:07:43,819 --> 01:07:42,029 mutilation you know questions when they 1413 01:07:45,469 --> 01:07:43,829 when they talk to you but for right now 1414 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:45,479 let's move on let's talk about what 1415 01:07:57,529 --> 01:07:49,410 you're doing with James Fox oh yeah yeah 1416 01:08:00,380 --> 01:07:57,539 that's I ran into James at the I guess 1417 01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,390 it was the UFO Congress and we started 1418 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:03,119 talking a bit and I I had known about 1419 01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:06,890 his project that he had been working on 1420 01:08:14,979 --> 01:08:11,880 since 2013 he had me out to interview me 1421 01:08:19,579 --> 01:08:14,989 and others pretty much anybody that's uh 1422 01:08:23,390 --> 01:08:19,589 anybody in the field was invited out to 1423 01:08:29,569 --> 01:08:23,400 LA and was interviewed on a green screen 1424 01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:29,579 set and as as some of your listeners may 1425 01:08:35,740 --> 01:08:33,839 know you know I'm real a big fan of Ray 1426 01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:35,750 Stanford's work and I'm 1427 01:08:41,229 --> 01:08:38,239 I've often said that if he had a fan 1428 01:08:41,769 --> 01:08:41,239 club I'd be the president of it I really 1429 01:08:43,630 --> 01:08:41,779 do 1430 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:43,640 to feel that Ray's work as head and 1431 01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,250 shoulders above pretty much anybody in 1432 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:48,560 the field and I I was instrumental in 1433 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:52,250 introducing James to Ray and I've been 1434 01:08:56,349 --> 01:08:53,930 kind of keeping tabs on his progress 1435 01:08:57,939 --> 01:08:56,359 he's had some real you know ups and 1436 01:09:00,430 --> 01:08:57,949 downs over the six years that he's been 1437 01:09:03,729 --> 01:09:00,440 attempting to do this film called the 1438 01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:03,739 phenomenon and when I ran into him on 1439 01:09:08,740 --> 01:09:07,489 summer at the at the Congress he he said 1440 01:09:11,229 --> 01:09:08,750 look you know I'm right at that point 1441 01:09:13,150 --> 01:09:11,239 where it would sure be good to have you 1442 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:13,160 come out and and check this out and see 1443 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:15,890 you know just kind of help me you know 1444 01:09:20,140 --> 01:09:17,690 put this baby to bed 1445 01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:20,150 so I made a couple chips out there and 1446 01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:23,600 and helped him go over and and fine-tune 1447 01:09:28,660 --> 01:09:26,230 the thing cut it down from two hours to 1448 01:09:32,740 --> 01:09:28,670 90 minutes excuse me actually was about 1449 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:32,750 two hours and 15 minutes and it helped a 1450 01:09:37,870 --> 01:09:35,650 little bit on so on you know the trailer 1451 01:09:39,490 --> 01:09:37,880 you know kind of tweaked a little bit 1452 01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:39,500 here tweaked a little bit there helped 1453 01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:45,049 him talk with his composure and I was 1454 01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:48,560 really honored that he he asked me to do 1455 01:09:55,390 --> 01:09:53,120 that and it was also an honor to be you 1456 01:09:57,939 --> 01:09:55,400 know one of two people that he trusted 1457 01:10:01,000 --> 01:09:57,949 to to help him put the thing to bed the 1458 01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:01,010 other being chopped away and to be able 1459 01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:03,410 to spend some time was talking and work 1460 01:10:08,890 --> 01:10:06,800 on the on the film was was you know kind 1461 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:08,900 of a high point for me you know 1462 01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:14,330 professionally and I must say that the 1463 01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:17,449 thing that's most impressive besides the 1464 01:10:22,689 --> 01:10:19,120 fact that James is the only real 1465 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:22,699 filmmaker in ufology there's a lot of 1466 01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:24,410 people that can slap you know stuff 1467 01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:26,690 together but nobody that does it with 1468 01:10:34,209 --> 01:10:31,120 the land and the elegance that he does 1469 01:10:38,860 --> 01:10:34,219 I'm a huge fan of his work he's a very 1470 01:10:41,050 --> 01:10:38,870 talented storyteller and when I found 1471 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:41,060 out that he got a theatrical release I 1472 01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:43,730 was just flabbergasted I don't think any 1473 01:10:47,229 --> 01:10:46,640 UFO film has ever been shown in a movie 1474 01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:47,239 theater 1475 01:11:01,209 --> 01:10:56,449 1,500 if it takes takes off that is a 1476 01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:01,219 big deal and yes the realization of what 1477 01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:04,400 people are going to be seen 90% of the 1478 01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:06,770 audience maybe even more is going to 1479 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:08,960 have maybe a passing interest in UFOs 1480 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:12,010 but they are not going to have very 1481 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:15,290 little if any knowledge about the 1482 01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:17,810 history the modern of you know history 1483 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:21,260 of UFOs and so this movie is not only 1484 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:26,210 going to be a crash course in the whole 1485 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:28,370 field of ufology and and the the 1486 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:30,890 unfolding of cases since 1947 1487 01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:33,050 since the Kenneth Arnold sighting but 1488 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:37,760 it's also has cases and footage that 1489 01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:40,010 I've never seen before and that anybody 1490 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:41,570 that I've talked to had seen the film 1491 01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:44,090 has never seen before so there's 1492 01:11:48,820 --> 01:11:45,440 something for everybody there's 1493 01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:48,830 something for the you know the cynical 1494 01:11:56,169 --> 01:11:53,750 and jaded ufologists all the way to the 1495 01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:56,179 you know ten-year-old kid who's just you 1496 01:12:00,600 --> 01:11:57,650 know interested in the subject but 1497 01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:00,610 doesn't really have a knowledge base so 1498 01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:03,920 one thing that I realized you know when 1499 01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:06,830 he delivered the film to have the the 1500 01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:10,730 trailer finished is the James is 1501 01:12:17,860 --> 01:12:14,719 disclosure 1992 95 percent of the people 1502 01:12:19,959 --> 01:12:17,870 this will be disclosure for them because 1503 01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:19,969 they don't know the stuff that you and I 1504 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:22,640 do or a lot of your listeners mayor 1505 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:25,850 they're not familiar with any of it and 1506 01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,130 maybe they've heard the word Roswell 1507 01:12:32,020 --> 01:12:30,560 maybe they heard about the tic-tac but 1508 01:12:35,740 --> 01:12:32,030 they you know they don't really know the 1509 01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,750 ins and outs the popcorn munchin crowds 1510 01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:37,520 a thousands and thousands of people that 1511 01:12:41,050 --> 01:12:39,530 are gonna be sitting in that theater 90% 1512 01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:41,060 of them are going to be getting a 1513 01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:44,480 wake-up call right major wake-up call 1514 01:12:49,709 --> 01:12:47,330 and I you know people have been asking 1515 01:12:51,729 --> 01:12:49,719 for disclosure this is disclosure 1516 01:12:54,700 --> 01:12:51,739 everything will be different after this 1517 01:12:58,689 --> 01:12:54,710 film I mark my words on that this is a 1518 01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,699 huge huge step forward for the subject 1519 01:13:02,979 --> 01:13:00,800 and I'll tell you James 1520 01:13:04,899 --> 01:13:02,989 deserves all the success and 1521 01:13:06,939 --> 01:13:04,909 the accolades he's gonna get but I I 1522 01:13:09,220 --> 01:13:06,949 keep warning I'm saying now you're gonna 1523 01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:09,230 be you're gonna be the the figurehead 1524 01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:11,329 for the whole movement so good luck with 1525 01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:12,760 that 1526 01:13:16,359 --> 01:13:14,690 everybody's gonna they're gonna be 1527 01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:16,369 calling you up every time there's a 1528 01:13:21,580 --> 01:13:19,280 question and now you know with that with 1529 01:13:27,489 --> 01:13:21,590 that New York Times article two years 1530 01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:27,499 ago and and the tic-tac the Nimitz you 1531 01:13:32,350 --> 01:13:29,840 know in the revelation of the advanced 1532 01:13:35,109 --> 01:13:32,360 aerial threat group and stuff 1533 01:13:37,930 --> 01:13:35,119 I mean that really made it okay for the 1534 01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,940 media to cover this stuff seriously and 1535 01:13:41,890 --> 01:13:40,159 of James they've tried to finish this 1536 01:13:43,540 --> 01:13:41,900 film two years ago and get it on the 1537 01:13:46,779 --> 01:13:43,550 movie screens he wouldn't have had a 1538 01:13:48,939 --> 01:13:46,789 chance I think your us you're perfectly 1539 01:13:51,790 --> 01:13:48,949 closed the subject the subject is now 1540 01:13:54,700 --> 01:13:51,800 mainstream James is perfectly positioned 1541 01:13:56,259 --> 01:13:54,710 in perfect timing to have a theatrical 1542 01:13:58,930 --> 01:13:56,269 release and I'm telling you they're 1543 01:14:01,509 --> 01:13:58,940 doing a 5.1 surround sound there's a 1544 01:14:04,029 --> 01:14:01,519 world-class composer is doing all the 1545 01:14:06,549 --> 01:14:04,039 music everything is color corrected I 1546 01:14:10,569 --> 01:14:06,559 mean it's it's a real feature film this 1547 01:14:12,669 --> 01:14:10,579 is not just some you know yeah episode 1548 01:14:15,339 --> 01:14:12,679 you're gonna see on History Channel or 1549 01:14:18,609 --> 01:14:15,349 something this this is this is serious 1550 01:14:20,739 --> 01:14:18,619 stuff this is the big time and I am so 1551 01:14:22,839 --> 01:14:20,749 proud of him and proud of everybody that 1552 01:14:24,609 --> 01:14:22,849 was involved in this project and I was 1553 01:14:26,919 --> 01:14:24,619 very very honored to be asked to help 1554 01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:26,929 out yeah we'll talk a little more about 1555 01:14:31,029 --> 01:14:28,610 that I just gotta tell you funny story I 1556 01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:31,039 was texting with him the other day and 1557 01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,710 he was under his car he was exiting the 1558 01:14:42,850 --> 01:14:38,719 guy never stops working he's you know 1559 01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,860 he's amazing and but yeah I wish that 1560 01:14:46,779 --> 01:14:44,719 all this success but you actually got to 1561 01:14:49,689 --> 01:14:46,789 see this screen or you got you got to 1562 01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:49,699 see the film what was your reaction I've 1563 01:14:54,759 --> 01:14:51,289 seen the film a whole bunch of times 1564 01:14:57,069 --> 01:14:54,769 like I said there was footage in there 1565 01:14:58,689 --> 01:14:57,079 that I had never seen before there are 1566 01:15:02,410 --> 01:14:58,699 cases that he mentions that I'd never 1567 01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:02,420 heard before I've read hundreds of books 1568 01:15:11,020 --> 01:15:07,730 on UFOs hundreds and and I was you know 1569 01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:11,030 it's just it's put together so well and 1570 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:14,239 so professionally like I said it doesn't 1571 01:15:16,780 --> 01:15:16,010 matter how much you know about the field 1572 01:15:18,850 --> 01:15:16,790 or something 1573 01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:18,860 that's gonna make you scratch your head 1574 01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:22,880 go I didn't know that and you know I 1575 01:15:29,140 --> 01:15:26,870 think it's some I'm not a big eth guy I 1576 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:29,150 as many people out there who know my 1577 01:15:39,310 --> 01:15:36,770 work know that I'm I prefer to you know 1578 01:15:42,220 --> 01:15:39,320 I've been saying this for years that we 1579 01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:42,230 need to exhaust all mundane explanations 1580 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:45,410 and closed system explanations before we 1581 01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:46,730 think we're important enough for 1582 01:15:50,940 --> 01:15:48,640 anything out there to come here 1583 01:15:53,260 --> 01:15:50,950 it's just the way that these things 1584 01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:53,270 manifest the way that the aliens 1585 01:15:57,970 --> 01:15:56,000 interact with us all the different types 1586 01:16:01,000 --> 01:15:57,980 of craft all are different types of 1587 01:16:02,890 --> 01:16:01,010 beings there's something tied into 1588 01:16:05,170 --> 01:16:02,900 consciousness that's involved it's 1589 01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:05,180 closed system I don't feel anything out 1590 01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:07,610 there is coming here raised Stanford's 1591 01:16:12,250 --> 01:16:09,170 the only one that convinces me that I 1592 01:16:15,250 --> 01:16:12,260 might be wrong his work is the only work 1593 01:16:20,260 --> 01:16:15,260 that that is pulling me back towards the 1594 01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:20,270 ETH I'm a I'm a real I don't know I'm a 1595 01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:22,370 not contrary and you know I I would 1596 01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:24,080 rather think there's other tenants in 1597 01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:27,050 our building than something out there 1598 01:16:31,660 --> 01:16:29,120 thinking that we're important enough to 1599 01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:31,670 come and keep gathering flowers and 1600 01:16:35,620 --> 01:16:33,140 picking up rocks like they've never seen 1601 01:16:38,140 --> 01:16:35,630 them and this is all theatrical there's 1602 01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:38,150 something being staged for us that's 1603 01:16:43,150 --> 01:16:40,490 pulling us off planet I think that it's 1604 01:16:46,060 --> 01:16:43,160 a collective unconscious manifestation 1605 01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:46,070 to pull us off planet the planet itself 1606 01:16:51,870 --> 01:16:49,280 maybe co-creating these these events 1607 01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:51,880 along with our collective unconscious 1608 01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:57,050 I'm in a much different place than 99% 1609 01:17:04,420 --> 01:16:58,640 of the people who think about this that 1610 01:17:05,710 --> 01:17:04,430 the subject and I just you know but for 1611 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:05,720 all the people to think we're being 1612 01:17:11,620 --> 01:17:08,570 visited by aliens this is your film he 1613 01:17:16,750 --> 01:17:11,630 doesn't come out and say that but it's 1614 01:17:18,490 --> 01:17:16,760 it's all over the place which is cool 1615 01:17:20,590 --> 01:17:18,500 it's entertaining I'm gonna I don't love 1616 01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:20,600 it I can't wait to see I'm gonna be 1617 01:17:22,990 --> 01:17:21,920 watching the crowd I'm not gonna be 1618 01:17:25,660 --> 01:17:23,000 watching the screen 1619 01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:25,670 I'll be watching I always responding to 1620 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:28,250 all this it's gonna be fun hits we mark 1621 01:17:33,550 --> 01:17:30,290 my words this is gonna be 1622 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:33,560 huge and he does it couldn't happen to a 1623 01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:35,930 nicer guy James is one of the nicest 1624 01:17:42,190 --> 01:17:38,450 sweetest biggest hearted people I have 1625 01:17:45,310 --> 01:17:42,200 ever known and he and his wife Rebecca 1626 01:17:48,490 --> 01:17:45,320 and Sonali are just incredible people 1627 01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:48,500 and man I'll tell you it's just all the 1628 01:17:53,890 --> 01:17:50,810 work and effort and he almost lost 1629 01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:53,900 everything during the process it's just 1630 01:17:58,900 --> 01:17:56,510 so so cool that he's been able to to get 1631 01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:58,910 this thing put to bed and I'm so proud 1632 01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:01,040 of him wow so you went out over toward 1633 01:18:06,610 --> 01:18:04,250 Stinson Beach over there yeah yeah yeah 1634 01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:06,620 I was in the Bolinas Politis right hand 1635 01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:10,880 Oh yep been there many times now I think 1636 01:18:14,350 --> 01:18:12,290 that's interesting what you you've just 1637 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:14,360 said because one of the questions I ask 1638 01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:15,890 a lot of my guests and I just did last 1639 01:18:24,820 --> 01:18:20,000 week chris wachowsky Rakowski i asked 1640 01:18:27,850 --> 01:18:24,830 him you know why would we be visited by 1641 01:18:29,620 --> 01:18:27,860 an entail and if there's intelligent 1642 01:18:32,530 --> 01:18:29,630 life out there what makes us so special 1643 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:32,540 if there's possibly 40 billion you know 1644 01:18:37,810 --> 01:18:34,970 earth-like planets with some type of 1645 01:18:40,090 --> 01:18:37,820 life possibly in our galaxy and I have 1646 01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:40,100 to say always possibly because no one 1647 01:18:44,440 --> 01:18:42,170 really knows but what makes us so 1648 01:18:47,470 --> 01:18:44,450 special why we're being visited he said 1649 01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:47,480 water water is unusual but and that's 1650 01:18:51,730 --> 01:18:49,520 probably one of the reasons why we'd be 1651 01:18:55,780 --> 01:18:51,740 visited but you know there's a lot of 1652 01:18:57,790 --> 01:18:55,790 questions out there I don't know about 1653 01:18:59,200 --> 01:18:57,800 that the consciousness thing he did 1654 01:19:02,250 --> 01:18:59,210 actually mention a lot of people are 1655 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:02,260 talking about that these days that it's 1656 01:19:09,700 --> 01:19:04,850 that could have an involvement with that 1657 01:19:15,540 --> 01:19:09,710 I I like to just continue to say that I 1658 01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:15,550 have no idea and you know 1659 01:19:20,740 --> 01:19:19,280 well like I discussed on the show before 1660 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:20,750 I'm an experienced or I've been close 1661 01:19:25,630 --> 01:19:22,970 enough to touch them they are not human 1662 01:19:27,630 --> 01:19:25,640 they're they're they're bipedal they 1663 01:19:32,740 --> 01:19:27,640 look kind of like us but not really 1664 01:19:34,540 --> 01:19:32,750 and they're real it changed my life I 1665 01:19:37,420 --> 01:19:34,550 mean I'm a completely different person 1666 01:19:41,020 --> 01:19:37,430 as a you know direct result of that 1667 01:19:42,370 --> 01:19:41,030 experience when I was 7 years old so 1668 01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:42,380 about that again because a lot of people 1669 01:19:46,270 --> 01:19:43,040 never 1670 01:19:47,530 --> 01:19:46,280 remember well yeah growing up and B I'll 1671 01:19:52,030 --> 01:19:47,540 be washing tonight 1672 01:19:54,820 --> 01:19:52,040 one night in the spring of 63 I just you 1673 01:19:59,260 --> 01:19:54,830 know I was almost seven just about a 1674 01:20:00,910 --> 01:19:59,270 month away from my birthday and I woke 1675 01:20:02,830 --> 01:20:00,920 up because there was a strange kind of 1676 01:20:05,860 --> 01:20:02,840 light in my room and it was these two 1677 01:20:07,780 --> 01:20:05,870 foot table glittering wands with Spears 1678 01:20:12,150 --> 01:20:07,790 as I called him that these little 1679 01:20:14,740 --> 01:20:12,160 entities were holding around my bed and 1680 01:20:17,470 --> 01:20:14,750 the light would glitter up and down and 1681 01:20:20,350 --> 01:20:17,480 was shining enough residual light so I 1682 01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:20,360 could see the figures not very well but 1683 01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:21,890 I could see that they were extremely 1684 01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:22,730 skinny 1685 01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:25,130 I called them stick men with big heads 1686 01:20:30,990 --> 01:20:28,250 and they literally followed me around my 1687 01:20:36,130 --> 01:20:31,000 neighborhood at 3 in the morning and I 1688 01:20:39,250 --> 01:20:36,140 was trying to go call my parents so they 1689 01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:39,260 could come and save me and didn't rescue 1690 01:20:43,060 --> 01:20:41,570 me from these these little guys there 1691 01:20:48,460 --> 01:20:43,070 were three of them possibly a fourth in 1692 01:20:51,010 --> 01:20:48,470 the back was hiding excuse me and they 1693 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:51,020 didn't walk they glide they kind of 1694 01:20:55,380 --> 01:20:53,690 glide it they all moved together like 1695 01:20:58,180 --> 01:20:55,390 cattails 1696 01:21:01,960 --> 01:20:58,190 they just kind of slid along above the 1697 01:21:03,940 --> 01:21:01,970 ground it was fairly terrifying I went 1698 01:21:05,290 --> 01:21:03,950 to T neighbors tried to get them to 1699 01:21:07,900 --> 01:21:05,300 answer the door at 3:00 in the morning 1700 01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:07,910 and and call my parents one of them 1701 01:21:12,820 --> 01:21:09,890 actually did I don't know what happened 1702 01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:12,830 I ended up five houses away my sister 1703 01:21:17,140 --> 01:21:14,690 after an indeterminate amount of time 1704 01:21:20,860 --> 01:21:17,150 she said about 20 minutes I think it may 1705 01:21:25,630 --> 01:21:20,870 have been longer she was 18 I was 6 she 1706 01:21:27,370 --> 01:21:25,640 found me I was absolutely terrified she 1707 01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:27,380 took me into the house of course I 1708 01:21:33,250 --> 01:21:30,410 refused to go sleep in my bedroom I was 1709 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:33,260 too afraid and so she says ok well you 1710 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:35,930 can sleep in the bed with me and to just 1711 01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:37,610 to give you an idea of how traumatized 1712 01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:40,130 that was in my sleep I tried to nurse 1713 01:21:49,630 --> 01:21:47,330 her I was my parents said you were you 1714 01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:49,640 know it was you had a nightmare you were 1715 01:21:55,209 --> 01:21:53,360 sleepwalking when I ran out the kitchen 1716 01:21:56,130 --> 01:21:55,219 door I forgot my dad had put the screen 1717 01:21:58,650 --> 01:21:56,140 door on 1718 01:22:04,710 --> 01:21:58,660 I ran right into the screen door and you 1719 01:22:06,150 --> 01:22:04,720 know sorry wasn't sleepwalking and it 1720 01:22:10,260 --> 01:22:06,160 changed my life I mean I've been 1721 01:22:12,810 --> 01:22:10,270 absolutely you know really interested in 1722 01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:12,820 the subject ever since I hid my interest 1723 01:22:17,490 --> 01:22:15,310 for a lot of years and when I finally 1724 01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,500 you know when I moved to Colorado and 1725 01:22:20,850 --> 01:22:19,120 all this stuff was flying around and 1726 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:20,860 everybody was seeing it I felt 1727 01:22:25,670 --> 01:22:22,810 comfortable enough to come out and and 1728 01:22:30,210 --> 01:22:25,680 talk about it and start investigating 1729 01:22:32,010 --> 01:22:30,220 Wow that is that's really quite the way 1730 01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:32,020 to get started I do remember the story 1731 01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:35,290 just not the details of it I never saw a 1732 01:22:40,440 --> 01:22:37,810 ship I was yelling at him why don't you 1733 01:22:42,300 --> 01:22:40,450 you know say something talk to me what 1734 01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:42,310 do you want what do you want they 1735 01:22:48,060 --> 01:22:45,370 refused or were unable to communicate 1736 01:22:50,820 --> 01:22:48,070 with me I didn't have any telepathic 1737 01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:50,830 communication I didn't have any any sort 1738 01:22:56,460 --> 01:22:53,410 of you know indication at all that they 1739 01:22:58,740 --> 01:22:56,470 of anything positive or negative they 1740 01:23:03,830 --> 01:22:58,750 seemed like bio robots or something a 1741 01:23:07,290 --> 01:23:03,840 totally devoid of any sort of you know 1742 01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:07,300 any sort of expression or you know I 1743 01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:09,130 kind of blanked out their faces I think 1744 01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,120 I'm I bet you if I got regrets they'd 1745 01:23:17,700 --> 01:23:15,120 probably remember a lot of stuff but I 1746 01:23:19,860 --> 01:23:17,710 feel okay with the experience and I 1747 01:23:22,980 --> 01:23:19,870 don't really I don't want to open up 1748 01:23:26,580 --> 01:23:22,990 Pandora's box with that one ever 1749 01:23:27,810 --> 01:23:26,590 happened again nope well once I had it 1750 01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:27,820 one thing that happened it could have 1751 01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:29,710 been it could have been something I have 1752 01:23:35,100 --> 01:23:31,360 six hours of missing time in the middle 1753 01:23:36,630 --> 01:23:35,110 of the southern Utah desert that was Wow 1754 01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:36,640 it was a pretty interesting experience 1755 01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:42,010 Wow yeah all right well I am going to 1756 01:23:46,620 --> 01:23:44,290 put the phone number up so if anyone 1757 01:23:49,290 --> 01:23:46,630 would like to call in you can see that 1758 01:23:51,870 --> 01:23:49,300 we have graces be over there screening 1759 01:23:55,260 --> 01:23:51,880 the calls and that number is eight five 1760 01:23:58,170 --> 01:23:55,270 five four seven two five four eight 1761 01:23:59,880 --> 01:23:58,180 three numbers up on the screen if you're 1762 01:24:04,830 --> 01:23:59,890 on YouTube again that number is eight 1763 01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:04,840 five five four seven two five four eight 1764 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:07,840 three feel free to call in and ask our 1765 01:24:15,029 --> 01:24:10,090 guest a question 1766 01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:15,039 we're standing by and so you had that 1767 01:24:22,020 --> 01:24:18,249 experience you've seen a lot of things 1768 01:24:25,229 --> 01:24:22,030 happen in Colorado yeah have you had 1769 01:24:28,020 --> 01:24:25,239 sightings elsewhere as well yes yes I 1770 01:24:31,529 --> 01:24:28,030 have my first sighting was third week 1771 01:24:33,979 --> 01:24:31,539 Friday of September 1979 I was up in New 1772 01:24:36,929 --> 01:24:33,989 Paltz New York with a group of friends 1773 01:24:39,959 --> 01:24:36,939 three of us were had gobbled mushrooms 1774 01:24:43,169 --> 01:24:39,969 the other three had we all shared the 1775 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:43,179 same experience there was absolutely no 1776 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:47,650 difference between the the enhanced 1777 01:24:55,949 --> 01:24:51,130 experience in the regular conscious 1778 01:24:58,759 --> 01:24:55,959 experience it was a group of lights way 1779 01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:58,769 up in the sky they look like stars and 1780 01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:01,360 we seem to be in communication with them 1781 01:25:06,989 --> 01:25:04,510 we were creating my brother said let's 1782 01:25:09,629 --> 01:25:06,999 let's try an experiment and so we made a 1783 01:25:11,850 --> 01:25:09,639 square laid down in the form of a square 1784 01:25:13,409 --> 01:25:11,860 and then we did a circle we did a 1785 01:25:16,199 --> 01:25:13,419 triangle and the objects in the sky 1786 01:25:18,359 --> 01:25:16,209 mirrored what we did which was very 1787 01:25:19,799 --> 01:25:18,369 strange and then then our ride came we 1788 01:25:23,399 --> 01:25:19,809 left I went to the party 1789 01:25:25,109 --> 01:25:23,409 I was in college and having a good time 1790 01:25:27,509 --> 01:25:25,119 it was like hey would never believe what 1791 01:25:29,819 --> 01:25:27,519 just happened you know that was my first 1792 01:25:33,089 --> 01:25:29,829 sighting I had a really good sighting 1793 01:25:35,009 --> 01:25:33,099 after I moved to Sedona it looked like 1794 01:25:39,509 --> 01:25:35,019 one of the tic-tacs it flew broad 1795 01:25:42,509 --> 01:25:39,519 daylight 3 o'clock March 27th 2005 it 1796 01:25:45,239 --> 01:25:42,519 flew right up Oak Creek right through 1797 01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:45,249 middle of town six other people reported 1798 01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:47,650 it it seemed to be about 30 or 40 feet 1799 01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:51,760 long was look like a flying egg maybe a 1800 01:25:56,069 --> 01:25:54,639 little flattened had it one end seemed 1801 01:25:58,379 --> 01:25:56,079 to be a little bit more pointed than the 1802 01:26:03,240 --> 01:25:58,389 other end so it actually did look like 1803 01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:03,250 an egg no wings no propulsion no noise I 1804 01:26:07,969 --> 01:26:04,650 [Music] 1805 01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:07,979 caught a good look at it for about I 1806 01:26:13,409 --> 01:26:10,510 don't know seven seconds maybe eight 1807 01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:13,419 seconds as it flew long before it you 1808 01:26:19,649 --> 01:26:15,760 know my the house and some trees 1809 01:26:21,239 --> 01:26:19,659 obscured the view but that was pretty 1810 01:26:23,020 --> 01:26:21,249 interesting I've had some nighttime 1811 01:26:25,359 --> 01:26:23,030 sightings there 1812 01:26:27,790 --> 01:26:25,369 including a sighting of two armed big 1813 01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:27,800 orange orbs that got chased away by Air 1814 01:26:34,689 --> 01:26:31,820 Force jets oh wow I love those Wow yeah 1815 01:26:36,370 --> 01:26:34,699 hey we got call stacking up so okay good 1816 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:36,380 and also get right into him we have 1817 01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:38,810 Steve calling from Las Vegas Steve 1818 01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:44,960 you're on the air Steve can you hear us 1819 01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,250 this happened last week and I think it's 1820 01:26:58,720 --> 01:26:54,320 gonna have to put you back on hold Steve 1821 01:27:02,020 --> 01:26:58,730 and I was hoping this wouldn't happen 1822 01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:02,030 again so there's some type of issue over 1823 01:27:11,050 --> 01:27:07,280 at at the station we have three calls on 1824 01:27:17,890 --> 01:27:11,060 hold over there right now let's see if 1825 01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:17,900 we can get that figured out and let me 1826 01:27:26,260 --> 01:27:21,170 just try Steve one more time Steve 1827 01:27:28,060 --> 01:27:26,270 you're on the air can you hear us okay I 1828 01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:28,070 can see that he's talking Steve I'm 1829 01:27:34,660 --> 01:27:29,090 sorry I'm gonna have to put you back on 1830 01:27:37,089 --> 01:27:34,670 hold all right so we have a setting 1831 01:27:39,100 --> 01:27:37,099 problem we're going to wait for that and 1832 01:27:40,450 --> 01:27:39,110 we do have we have a number of people on 1833 01:27:43,089 --> 01:27:40,460 hold right now hopefully the setting 1834 01:27:47,470 --> 01:27:43,099 will be cleaned up and figured out over 1835 01:27:49,330 --> 01:27:47,480 there at the radio station but you might 1836 01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:49,340 as well continue on with your other 1837 01:27:58,030 --> 01:27:53,030 sightings you had I wouldn't know where 1838 01:28:02,620 --> 01:27:58,040 to begin I've had so many in Colorado as 1839 01:28:04,209 --> 01:28:02,630 many as five in one day yeah well it's 1840 01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:04,219 great when you have a phone tree and you 1841 01:28:06,939 --> 01:28:05,510 have people all over the valley they 1842 01:28:09,490 --> 01:28:06,949 call you up and say quick run outside 1843 01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:09,500 look you know look to the south get up 1844 01:28:16,540 --> 01:28:13,570 on your roof you know so we're able to 1845 01:28:20,410 --> 01:28:16,550 alert each other and we've been able to 1846 01:28:24,700 --> 01:28:20,420 I got some video that way I had a really 1847 01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:24,710 cool sighting on December 8th 94 when 1848 01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:28,730 was a blow out it was at night around 10 1849 01:28:34,540 --> 01:28:31,730 o'clock and we had a group of seven 1850 01:28:36,580 --> 01:28:34,550 lights come in and a group of six they 1851 01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:36,590 both came in join started 1852 01:28:41,470 --> 01:28:38,719 lean around it couldn't have been more 1853 01:28:44,620 --> 01:28:41,480 than two miles from us didn't hear a 1854 01:28:47,410 --> 01:28:44,630 thing 13 objects we didn't hear a thing 1855 01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,420 some of them started blinking others 1856 01:28:51,850 --> 01:28:49,760 stayed steady then they formed back up 1857 01:28:55,780 --> 01:28:51,860 one group went one way the other group 1858 01:28:56,979 --> 01:28:55,790 went another way and they we didn't hear 1859 01:28:59,470 --> 01:28:56,989 a single sound 1860 01:29:02,470 --> 01:28:59,480 it was just deathly still and I got 1861 01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:02,480 footage on night vision with a night 1862 01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:06,080 vision lens that was really I've been 1863 01:29:12,959 --> 01:29:10,489 holding on to that I haven't I haven't 1864 01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:12,969 supplied it to any TV shows or anything 1865 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:15,170 another really interesting triangle 1866 01:29:19,930 --> 01:29:17,290 sighting that we got footage of two that 1867 01:29:23,229 --> 01:29:19,940 flew about a half a mile away from us in 1868 01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:23,239 a complete circle in an art kind of 1869 01:29:29,050 --> 01:29:26,510 around us that was a good one 1870 01:29:31,780 --> 01:29:29,060 again I mentioned the little scout ship 1871 01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:31,790 it flew about 50 feet off the road about 1872 01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:33,290 a hundred and fifty feet in front of us 1873 01:29:38,830 --> 01:29:35,840 and then zipped out over the the where 1874 01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:38,840 fertile valley and it looked like 1875 01:29:43,780 --> 01:29:41,210 somebody you know when you reel in a 1876 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:43,790 lure really fast in the water and kind 1877 01:29:47,530 --> 01:29:45,770 of skips that's what it looked like it 1878 01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:47,540 was doing in the atmosphere like I was 1879 01:29:52,300 --> 01:29:50,330 skipping in the atmosphere that was 1880 01:29:54,939 --> 01:29:52,310 pretty interesting I actually was able 1881 01:29:58,089 --> 01:29:54,949 to get binoculars on it as it has it 1882 01:30:00,729 --> 01:29:58,099 faded away into the distance it was 1883 01:30:06,850 --> 01:30:00,739 pretty small it was only about 12 feet 1884 01:30:09,399 --> 01:30:06,860 maybe 15 feet and I've seen big 1885 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:09,409 rectangles we've had them block out the 1886 01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:13,610 sky I've seen every type of orb we had a 1887 01:30:18,129 --> 01:30:15,440 one of those little red ones that flew 1888 01:30:21,220 --> 01:30:18,139 right next to our car outside of Fort 1889 01:30:22,839 --> 01:30:21,230 Garland my band was with me and three of 1890 01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:22,849 the guys had never had a sighting two of 1891 01:30:27,970 --> 01:30:25,489 them had well me and the other one had 1892 01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:27,980 and and so they were all excited because 1893 01:30:32,649 --> 01:30:31,010 they finally got to see something and it 1894 01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:32,659 was I could have hit it with a rock I 1895 01:30:38,740 --> 01:30:35,840 mean it was really close to us she's we 1896 01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:38,750 caught oh my god Oh of lights over 1897 01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:43,040 Blancas peak had two big house-sized 1898 01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:46,130 fireballs right at treetop level go one 1899 01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:48,050 after the other all the way down the 1900 01:30:51,850 --> 01:30:50,480 entire length of the valley I 1901 01:30:53,620 --> 01:30:51,860 was up about a thousand feet off the 1902 01:30:58,450 --> 01:30:53,630 valley floors so we had a really good 1903 01:31:00,160 --> 01:30:58,460 good view of those I had this one thing 1904 01:31:02,860 --> 01:31:00,170 that went over that was probably some 1905 01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:02,870 sort of military thing it it looked like 1906 01:31:10,780 --> 01:31:06,370 the Millennium Falcon and had a big 1907 01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:10,790 super loud and it had a the whole back 1908 01:31:17,290 --> 01:31:13,360 end seemed to be lit up a blue flame 1909 01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:17,300 coming out of it but it was kind of flat 1910 01:31:28,110 --> 01:31:23,690 and extremely loud Jesus saw looked like 1911 01:31:33,130 --> 01:31:28,120 the citational battle with no wings a 1912 01:31:35,620 --> 01:31:33,140 whole bunch of people saw that I don't 1913 01:31:38,380 --> 01:31:35,630 know man it's just that's really amazing 1914 01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:38,390 orbs I'm gonna try a different caller 1915 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:42,530 see see if that might work let's let's 1916 01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:46,010 try let's try let's try John over and 1917 01:31:52,180 --> 01:31:48,110 Missouri John can you hear us 1918 01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:52,190 I could see John talking I can't hear 1919 01:31:56,830 --> 01:31:55,250 John talking all right so that's it I'm 1920 01:31:58,540 --> 01:31:56,840 terribly sorry we have all these people 1921 01:32:00,130 --> 01:31:58,550 on hold it doesn't look like it's gonna 1922 01:32:04,210 --> 01:32:00,140 happen again 1923 01:32:09,250 --> 01:32:04,220 so but I'm not going to give up I will I 1924 01:32:11,470 --> 01:32:09,260 will do what I did last week that that 1925 01:32:14,410 --> 01:32:11,480 didn't go so well either her the Skype 1926 01:32:16,210 --> 01:32:14,420 of the Skype call so we're just I wanted 1927 01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:16,220 and we've got another person calling in 1928 01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:18,890 so we got four people on all trying to 1929 01:32:26,979 --> 01:32:22,880 call so I do apologize we may try we may 1930 01:32:28,630 --> 01:32:26,989 try later if if they can figure it out 1931 01:32:33,729 --> 01:32:28,640 over the radio station what's going on 1932 01:32:36,010 --> 01:32:33,739 it's really too bad I don't dare to try 1933 01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:36,020 Skype so we're gonna pull the number off 1934 01:32:46,810 --> 01:32:41,570 right now and we'll just move on 1935 01:32:49,450 --> 01:32:46,820 Wow I've only had I've had one really 1936 01:32:54,070 --> 01:32:49,460 interest is in two interesting sighting 1937 01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:54,080 and I've had another sighting that it 1938 01:33:00,580 --> 01:32:56,560 probably was a sighting but I always 1939 01:33:01,959 --> 01:33:00,590 discounted it and I don't I've just been 1940 01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:01,969 afraid to say that I've had more than 1941 01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:04,010 one sighting maybe that's part of it 1942 01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:06,650 but another thing it's you know I 1943 01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:07,970 thought for sure it was like the 1944 01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:09,890 International Space Station or something 1945 01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:13,760 like that it was it was big it was well 1946 01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:17,570 lit up in the real distant night sky but 1947 01:33:23,530 --> 01:33:20,960 then it what direction let me think it 1948 01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:23,540 would be heading toward the east sort of 1949 01:33:28,630 --> 01:33:27,440 east if I were the Space Station what's 1950 01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:28,640 that that's pretty it's pretty bright 1951 01:33:34,030 --> 01:33:29,840 the Space Station 1952 01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:34,040 yeah guy says and then it but it did a a 1953 01:33:39,340 --> 01:33:37,730 Jag well that wasn't the Space Station 1954 01:33:41,380 --> 01:33:39,350 she huh all right you know it could have 1955 01:33:44,890 --> 01:33:41,390 been something atmospheric possibly but 1956 01:33:49,270 --> 01:33:44,900 I don't really know but I had I had a 1957 01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:49,280 sighting that I almost had the I could 1958 01:33:56,050 --> 01:33:52,930 have seen the the Phoenix lights ship 1959 01:33:57,580 --> 01:33:56,060 craft but I was inside the motel flew 1960 01:33:59,680 --> 01:33:57,590 right over the motel we watched her 1961 01:34:01,030 --> 01:33:59,690 basketball and we heard other people 1962 01:34:02,620 --> 01:34:01,040 outside we couldn't hear what they were 1963 01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:02,630 saying but they were we thought they 1964 01:34:07,420 --> 01:34:04,610 were watching the game to Arizona State 1965 01:34:10,630 --> 01:34:07,430 I think was in the final this sweet 16 1966 01:34:12,220 --> 01:34:10,640 or something and then when we finally 1967 01:34:13,570 --> 01:34:12,230 you know the noise really got loud 1968 01:34:16,030 --> 01:34:13,580 outside so we went out and he said oh 1969 01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:16,040 man where you been this huge thing just 1970 01:34:21,790 --> 01:34:19,370 flew up like what yeah because we saw on 1971 01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:21,800 TV they interrupted the game there was 1972 01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:23,450 that famous footage of the reporter 1973 01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:24,770 standing there were the lights behind 1974 01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:27,290 them we saw that live I was down in Casa 1975 01:34:34,570 --> 01:34:31,610 Grande in a motel Wow hey you know I'm 1976 01:34:37,060 --> 01:34:34,580 gonna do Chris and I'm sorry this isn't 1977 01:34:38,770 --> 01:34:37,070 really that fair to the people that 1978 01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:38,780 we're trying to call in and I apologize 1979 01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:39,170 for that 1980 01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:41,690 but I'd happen to have Ray's phone 1981 01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:43,040 number right on Skype because he's been 1982 01:34:46,990 --> 01:34:45,050 on the show a number of times so I'm 1983 01:34:48,810 --> 01:34:47,000 gonna try to give Ray's Stanford a call 1984 01:34:54,010 --> 01:34:48,820 here because I know he's listening and 1985 01:34:57,010 --> 01:34:54,020 because we'll see if that will work if 1986 01:35:00,310 --> 01:34:57,020 not of course we'll just know ray is 1987 01:35:01,510 --> 01:35:00,320 that you Ray that's me ray I don't know 1988 01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:01,520 if you even know this yet but you're 1989 01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:04,730 live on the air how are you oh ok hi 1990 01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:06,890 yeah you know I was sitting here 1991 01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:08,330 thinking since you can't get anybody 1992 01:35:14,140 --> 01:35:12,410 this calling in call me well your 1993 01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:14,150 telepathy worked cuz all of a sudden I 1994 01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:16,010 thought hey I think I have raised 1995 01:35:19,660 --> 01:35:17,450 Stanford's number in 1996 01:35:20,860 --> 01:35:19,670 on my skype because you've been on the 1997 01:35:23,500 --> 01:35:20,870 show and they're you worried popped 1998 01:35:24,340 --> 01:35:23,510 right up when I look I'm really glad 1999 01:35:27,460 --> 01:35:24,350 that you did 2000 01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:27,470 and it's always a pleasure to talk to 2001 01:35:34,570 --> 01:35:31,810 Chris O'Brien and hey I thought I would 2002 01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:34,580 he mentioned that I'm probably the only 2003 01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:36,650 source of information that makes him 2004 01:35:42,010 --> 01:35:39,530 worry about accepting the 2005 01:35:44,140 --> 01:35:42,020 extra-terrestrial hypothesis but I you 2006 01:35:47,470 --> 01:35:44,150 know I think that what we have to do in 2007 01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:47,480 this field if I may say so is that we 2008 01:35:51,790 --> 01:35:49,130 need to not put that as the first 2009 01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:51,800 priority as to where do they come from 2010 01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:54,560 or even what are they here we need to 2011 01:36:01,690 --> 01:35:56,800 get the hard data that will communicate 2012 01:36:04,510 --> 01:36:01,700 some real good science to us and leave 2013 01:36:07,330 --> 01:36:04,520 that perhaps to later but I'd like to 2014 01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:07,340 add this one phenomenon if I may 2015 01:36:13,180 --> 01:36:10,370 this is the so-called mothership 2016 01:36:15,250 --> 01:36:13,190 phenomenon it shouldn't seem strange or 2017 01:36:18,090 --> 01:36:15,260 metaphysical or out of place because 2018 01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:18,100 after all when we wet our took our first 2019 01:36:22,570 --> 01:36:20,210 from Earth journey to an 2020 01:36:24,730 --> 01:36:22,580 extraterrestrial body namely the moon we 2021 01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:24,740 had a mothership that stayed in orbit 2022 01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:26,690 and sent the craft down to land on the 2023 01:36:30,940 --> 01:36:28,490 moon and then came back up dr. with it 2024 01:36:33,250 --> 01:36:30,950 and came home so the mothership 2025 01:36:35,140 --> 01:36:33,260 phenomenon should not be surprising but 2026 01:36:38,740 --> 01:36:35,150 in the context of the question of 2027 01:36:41,260 --> 01:36:38,750 extraterrestrial source it does not 2028 01:36:43,150 --> 01:36:41,270 prove to us that it comes from Planet X 2029 01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:43,160 or anything like that but what this 2030 01:36:48,940 --> 01:36:46,130 suggests these huge objects releasing 2031 01:36:50,710 --> 01:36:48,950 small objects of several different quite 2032 01:36:53,500 --> 01:36:50,720 a number of different categories is that 2033 01:36:55,510 --> 01:36:53,510 they come from far away because the 2034 01:36:57,820 --> 01:36:55,520 large object releasing small addition 2035 01:37:02,260 --> 01:36:57,830 the atmosphere suggests conservation of 2036 01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:02,270 energy and it's it makes a lot of sense 2037 01:37:06,580 --> 01:37:04,730 it tends us to interpret the 2038 01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:06,590 extra-terrestrial hypothesis but we 2039 01:37:10,300 --> 01:37:07,730 don't know where they're coming from 2040 01:37:12,220 --> 01:37:10,310 they may need this big energy sources 2041 01:37:14,110 --> 01:37:12,230 they're coming from an extra dimensional 2042 01:37:16,510 --> 01:37:14,120 situation that we can't comprehend and 2043 01:37:18,970 --> 01:37:16,520 when they get to the local place on the 2044 01:37:21,460 --> 01:37:18,980 earth release shuttles to do some 2045 01:37:22,750 --> 01:37:21,470 studies or whatever they're up to but 2046 01:37:23,470 --> 01:37:22,760 I'm doing all the talking and I 2047 01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:23,480 shouldn't do that 2048 01:37:31,060 --> 01:37:27,170 hey Chris anything you care to say or 2049 01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:31,070 ask me about our to discuss yeah and 2050 01:37:37,060 --> 01:37:34,690 again like I mentioned earlier that 2051 01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:37,070 rationale makes perfect sense to me 2052 01:37:43,629 --> 01:37:40,610 and that is the only in it at least as 2053 01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:43,639 far as you know I'm aware that is really 2054 01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:45,770 the best evidence that circumstantial 2055 01:37:49,060 --> 01:37:47,570 evidence that we have that would suggest 2056 01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:49,070 that we are dealing with something off 2057 01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:52,489 planet again we can't really you know 2058 01:37:56,500 --> 01:37:54,560 factor anything in or out and I 2059 01:37:59,950 --> 01:37:56,510 absolutely agree with you that we need 2060 01:38:01,419 --> 01:37:59,960 to exhaust all efforts to utilize this 2061 01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:01,429 wonderful technology that's now 2062 01:38:05,859 --> 01:38:03,770 affordable and instead of spending 2 2063 01:38:08,050 --> 01:38:05,869 million dollars on on project starlight 2064 01:38:11,979 --> 01:38:08,060 we can spend five thousand dollars and 2065 01:38:14,620 --> 01:38:11,989 and have a fairly good opportunity if 2066 01:38:18,339 --> 01:38:14,630 they've placed in a proper location to 2067 01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:18,349 get that kind of hard data and I'm 2068 01:38:23,649 --> 01:38:22,130 really again I really can't can't 2069 01:38:27,399 --> 01:38:23,659 emphasize enough how much of an 2070 01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:27,409 inspiration you have been for me in more 2071 01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:30,290 ways than one and and I really do look 2072 01:38:36,450 --> 01:38:32,570 forward to finally getting some quality 2073 01:38:41,620 --> 01:38:39,879 you know you mentioned among the and by 2074 01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:41,630 the way this is very exciting and very 2075 01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:44,449 rewarding to me to see the kind of 2076 01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:46,130 effort you're doing to get instruments 2077 01:38:51,069 --> 01:38:48,560 out there and get data and but I have a 2078 01:38:53,709 --> 01:38:51,079 question my question I'd ask you on the 2079 01:38:56,740 --> 01:38:53,719 phone some time ago but it has to do 2080 01:38:58,569 --> 01:38:56,750 with the magnetometer the magnetometer 2081 01:39:01,419 --> 01:38:58,579 we used is an extreme low frequency 2082 01:39:04,330 --> 01:39:01,429 magnetometer and it came about because 2083 01:39:06,069 --> 01:39:04,340 we had evidence that there was extremely 2084 01:39:08,370 --> 01:39:06,079 low frequency magnetism associated with 2085 01:39:11,470 --> 01:39:08,380 these object I won't go into it now but 2086 01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:11,480 we very successfully use this during 2087 01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:14,690 daylight filming of objects and we have 2088 01:39:19,540 --> 01:39:17,119 a direct correlation of the manoeuvres 2089 01:39:21,490 --> 01:39:19,550 with the changes in the extremely 2090 01:39:24,370 --> 01:39:21,500 elusive magnetic field now that's 2091 01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:24,380 extremely important is to record in a 2092 01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:27,010 way where you have a real-time signal to 2093 01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:30,530 correlate one thing with another so that 2094 01:39:35,859 --> 01:39:33,650 you can correlate field effects with the 2095 01:39:37,300 --> 01:39:35,869 maneuvers it tells you that something is 2096 01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:37,310 happening in this case it strongly 2097 01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:39,170 suggests because of what we see on the 2098 01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:41,690 film is suggest that as a grouse 2099 01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,610 propulsive mechanism in the atmosphere 2100 01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:44,960 we're used 2101 01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:47,210 they're using electrified atmosphere 2102 01:39:51,940 --> 01:39:49,250 plasma in other words maneuvering with a 2103 01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:51,950 magnetic field this does not mean it's a 2104 01:39:56,350 --> 01:39:54,650 private primary drive or anything of 2105 01:39:58,690 --> 01:39:56,360 that nature and it doesn't prove that 2106 01:40:00,850 --> 01:39:58,700 there ET is contrast with something 2107 01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:00,860 coming from somewhere else but in in a 2108 01:40:08,260 --> 01:40:03,040 realistic sense in the atmosphere and 2109 01:40:11,410 --> 01:40:08,270 but dude in your in your magnetometer 2110 01:40:15,190 --> 01:40:11,420 dude can you tell me what what type of a 2111 01:40:17,140 --> 01:40:15,200 bandwidth what what frequency this is 2112 01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:17,150 monitoring on there the magnetic 2113 01:40:22,270 --> 01:40:19,130 spectrum ish you know is incredibly 2114 01:40:25,209 --> 01:40:22,280 broad do you know what what range this 2115 01:40:27,670 --> 01:40:25,219 is is or is it just direct magnetism and 2116 01:40:30,459 --> 01:40:27,680 not looking at frequencies or what do 2117 01:40:33,459 --> 01:40:30,469 you know I'm gonna go ahead and read you 2118 01:40:36,030 --> 01:40:33,469 the specs on it I'm going to the website 2119 01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:36,040 right now for the technical information 2120 01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:43,850 again well just take a second 2121 01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:49,370 I have asked Ron about this and he's it 2122 01:40:55,060 --> 01:40:51,770 I think it's a full spectrum it's not 2123 01:40:59,709 --> 01:40:55,070 focused only on the low frequency I 2124 01:41:02,530 --> 01:40:59,719 think it is a full spectrum that that's 2125 01:41:04,750 --> 01:41:02,540 kind of problematic because you don't 2126 01:41:06,850 --> 01:41:04,760 unless there's a way to tell what 2127 01:41:08,530 --> 01:41:06,860 frequency you're looking at it's very 2128 01:41:09,970 --> 01:41:08,540 difficult to analyze it scientifically I 2129 01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:09,980 think though that there probably is an 2130 01:41:15,130 --> 01:41:12,800 answer that's more meaningful than that 2131 01:41:18,130 --> 01:41:15,140 I wish I wish Ron would contact me and 2132 01:41:19,900 --> 01:41:18,140 talk about this because it really it 2133 01:41:22,060 --> 01:41:19,910 really needs to be ironed out because 2134 01:41:24,610 --> 01:41:22,070 when you go to present this to physical 2135 01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:24,620 scientists to try to gain physical 2136 01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:27,530 theory you need to know what it really 2137 01:41:33,820 --> 01:41:30,050 is being monitored and to let me mention 2138 01:41:35,979 --> 01:41:33,830 some background I believe that the 2139 01:41:37,570 --> 01:41:35,989 government that the first reason that 2140 01:41:40,690 --> 01:41:37,580 got the government very concerned about 2141 01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,700 UFOs in secrecy was the effect of this 2142 01:41:44,050 --> 01:41:42,320 extreme low frequency which we have 2143 01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:44,060 documented again and again with our 2144 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:47,330 system upon submarine communication 2145 01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:48,890 which communicates in the extreme low 2146 01:41:55,470 --> 01:41:51,770 frequency range and in fact it was a 2147 01:41:58,220 --> 01:41:55,480 physicist that works for the Navy that 2148 01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:58,230 was one of the two major designer 2149 01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:01,440 of our system now that's an acoustic 2150 01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:04,890 isn't an acoustic signal no no not at 2151 01:42:10,300 --> 01:42:07,290 all no nothing to it acoustics has to do 2152 01:42:14,570 --> 01:42:10,310 with extreme low frequency magnetism and 2153 01:42:17,090 --> 01:42:14,580 this friend of mine in back in Austin 2154 01:42:19,700 --> 01:42:17,100 that had been in the US Navy working 2155 01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:19,710 aboard a nuclear submarine for a long 2156 01:42:25,540 --> 01:42:21,840 time period he said something that 2157 01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:25,550 really got to him when I happened it was 2158 01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:28,290 they were deep under the Atlantic Ocean 2159 01:42:33,650 --> 01:42:31,170 and all of a sudden the skipper came in 2160 01:42:37,250 --> 01:42:33,660 on the intercom and said look I'm 2161 01:42:41,150 --> 01:42:37,260 requesting that we surface as quickly as 2162 01:42:41,540 --> 01:42:41,160 is commensurate with safety if we can do 2163 01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:41,550 this 2164 01:42:45,950 --> 01:42:43,890 as quickly as possible safely he said I 2165 01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:45,960 believe when we get to the surface you 2166 01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:47,760 guys are going to be able to see a UFO 2167 01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:49,050 at close range 2168 01:42:54,460 --> 01:42:52,320 well they did it they succeeded and they 2169 01:43:01,010 --> 01:42:54,470 got out on the deck and here was a 2170 01:43:02,690 --> 01:43:01,020 textbook disc UFO quite nearby now he 2171 01:43:04,850 --> 01:43:02,700 didn't have the guts to ask the skipper 2172 01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:04,860 how they knew but I would strongly 2173 01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:06,690 suggest that he was monitoring the 2174 01:43:11,420 --> 01:43:09,330 extreme low frequency communications of 2175 01:43:13,460 --> 01:43:11,430 the submarine and saw a characteristic 2176 01:43:15,410 --> 01:43:13,470 recognized disturbance they'd had to 2177 01:43:18,050 --> 01:43:15,420 deal with this disturbance apparently 2178 01:43:20,210 --> 01:43:18,060 from back in the 40s so you can see how 2179 01:43:21,770 --> 01:43:20,220 it become a secret that these submarines 2180 01:43:24,380 --> 01:43:21,780 that are so important to national 2181 01:43:26,570 --> 01:43:24,390 defense are having a disturbance of 2182 01:43:29,180 --> 01:43:26,580 something these strange objects that 2183 01:43:31,550 --> 01:43:29,190 could give a good reason to classify the 2184 01:43:33,740 --> 01:43:31,560 whole UFO thing right away and I think 2185 01:43:35,450 --> 01:43:33,750 it was the beginning of secrecy in 2186 01:43:37,370 --> 01:43:35,460 relationship to that not that they knew 2187 01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:37,380 where it was coming from at that time or 2188 01:43:41,180 --> 01:43:39,360 how it was being generated but simply 2189 01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:41,190 that it was a problem to national 2190 01:43:44,690 --> 01:43:42,480 security because of its effect on 2191 01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:44,700 submarine communication but it's hard 2192 01:43:50,450 --> 01:43:47,610 Chris if you can find that out I'd love 2193 01:43:52,850 --> 01:43:50,460 to know because that that is very much 2194 01:43:55,450 --> 01:43:52,860 needed in the analysis of in 2195 01:43:58,280 --> 01:43:55,460 relationship to propulsion as to what 2196 01:43:59,780 --> 01:43:58,290 frequencies we're dealing with and I 2197 01:44:02,060 --> 01:43:59,790 think you'll find there's a simple 2198 01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:02,070 answer to it that Ron can give you but 2199 01:44:10,340 --> 01:44:05,610 please get back to me on that yeah it's 2200 01:44:11,540 --> 01:44:10,350 a it's a three DOF magnetometer and so 2201 01:44:14,750 --> 01:44:11,550 it's there's 2202 01:44:19,250 --> 01:44:14,760 three what you're talking mad man a 2203 01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:19,260 factor there right three DOF no it's a 2204 01:44:26,990 --> 01:44:23,250 type of magna there's three TOF TOF in 2205 01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:27,000 9000 okay I've never heard of that of 2206 01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:29,970 course the system we use was strictly 2207 01:44:35,810 --> 01:44:32,850 any I don't know what that covers but 2208 01:44:37,850 --> 01:44:35,820 there should be a statement of the 2209 01:44:39,500 --> 01:44:37,860 bandwidth from the standpoint of 2210 01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:39,510 frequency you want to call it wavelength 2211 01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:42,090 yeah should be a statement there and it 2212 01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:43,530 should be I would recommend once you 2213 01:44:47,690 --> 01:44:46,080 learn that you you publish it with the 2214 01:44:50,540 --> 01:44:47,700 literature that's making this available 2215 01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:50,550 to people so they don't know what their 2216 01:44:54,490 --> 01:44:52,050 they're getting into this is extremely 2217 01:44:56,810 --> 01:44:54,500 important by the way you mentioned 2218 01:44:59,540 --> 01:44:56,820 correlations that replication in 2219 01:45:02,180 --> 01:44:59,550 phenomena well I wish and I could talk 2220 01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:02,190 some of the people that that have strong 2221 01:45:05,930 --> 01:45:03,840 scientific backgrounds to come here and 2222 01:45:09,230 --> 01:45:05,940 see what I have you you understand why 2223 01:45:10,910 --> 01:45:09,240 and but the replication we have films 2224 01:45:13,730 --> 01:45:10,920 from airliners that have gotten in 2225 01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:13,740 daylight multiple times and from the 2226 01:45:18,590 --> 01:45:16,320 ground that show the exact same types of 2227 01:45:20,900 --> 01:45:18,600 phenomenon the same type of gigantic 2228 01:45:24,740 --> 01:45:20,910 carriers to two classes and carriers and 2229 01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:24,750 the same types of tranqer objects and I 2230 01:45:30,230 --> 01:45:27,330 can show them at least five distinct 2231 01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:30,240 types that we have filmed on multiple 2232 01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:32,610 occasions and that other people have 2233 01:45:37,070 --> 01:45:35,370 actually photographed - including the 2234 01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:37,080 the so-called mothership so it's not 2235 01:45:40,700 --> 01:45:38,970 that race Stanford is here with this 2236 01:45:43,130 --> 01:45:40,710 organization and claiming something that 2237 01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:43,140 nobody else has gotten we have excellent 2238 01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:45,840 pictures of these so-called mother ships 2239 01:45:50,570 --> 01:45:48,090 with smaller objects from other sources 2240 01:45:53,150 --> 01:45:50,580 that are highly credible and that 2241 01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:53,160 however you want to interpret at least 2242 01:45:58,640 --> 01:45:55,050 suggests that they're conserving energy 2243 01:46:01,310 --> 01:45:58,650 to get up here by in some way that 2244 01:46:03,230 --> 01:46:01,320 requires a lot of energy of this big 2245 01:46:06,470 --> 01:46:03,240 object if you're going to carry shuttles 2246 01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:06,480 down to earth and maybe elsewhere to do 2247 01:46:12,710 --> 01:46:10,080 studies so anyway that's that's my take 2248 01:46:14,180 --> 01:46:12,720 on it and but I really am encouraged by 2249 01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:14,190 your effort and I wish you the best 2250 01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:15,600 because if we can get these systems 2251 01:46:19,490 --> 01:46:18,090 going around the world it's going to 2252 01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:19,500 create a whole new ballgame in this 2253 01:46:24,740 --> 01:46:23,040 field I absolutely agree and and with 2254 01:46:27,740 --> 01:46:24,750 the advent of the Internet 2255 01:46:31,550 --> 01:46:27,750 the the connectivity and the sharing of 2256 01:46:33,710 --> 01:46:31,560 information is also you know down down 2257 01:46:36,620 --> 01:46:33,720 the road once we start to get some 2258 01:46:39,470 --> 01:46:36,630 quality information it's very easy to 2259 01:46:42,440 --> 01:46:39,480 get to get other people to analyze the 2260 01:46:44,090 --> 01:46:42,450 data and get some peer review let me 2261 01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:44,100 mention one thing very Pat Scott I know 2262 01:46:47,540 --> 01:46:45,210 we're good near the end of the program 2263 01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:47,550 and that is this we have recorded in 2264 01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:49,440 daylight and it's very important to get 2265 01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:51,690 as much data as you can in daylight 2266 01:46:58,330 --> 01:46:55,520 imagery we have recorded again and again 2267 01:47:00,770 --> 01:46:58,340 multiple sets of very very specific 2268 01:47:04,430 --> 01:47:00,780 phenomena that these objects generate 2269 01:47:07,220 --> 01:47:04,440 aircraft meteors natural phenomena in 2270 01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:07,230 the atmosphere nothing else creates 2271 01:47:13,250 --> 01:47:09,890 these sets of phenomena one of which is 2272 01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:13,260 multiple images generated a high speed 2273 01:47:18,140 --> 01:47:15,330 around the object in broad daylight 2274 01:47:20,270 --> 01:47:18,150 there are other really truly wonderful 2275 01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:20,280 and multiple phenomenon that that we've 2276 01:47:24,500 --> 01:47:22,560 documented and the effects on 2277 01:47:26,630 --> 01:47:24,510 backlighting the Faraday rings due to 2278 01:47:30,590 --> 01:47:26,640 rotation of the the plane of 2279 01:47:32,930 --> 01:47:30,600 polarization of the backlighting as it 2280 01:47:35,330 --> 01:47:32,940 passes the object toward the camera but 2281 01:47:37,970 --> 01:47:35,340 as if we get these kind of phenomena and 2282 01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:37,980 document them in other sources and can 2283 01:47:43,460 --> 01:47:41,250 show this worldwide as a phenomenon it 2284 01:47:46,940 --> 01:47:43,470 takes it out of the category of natural 2285 01:47:49,850 --> 01:47:46,950 phenomena even as when we actually 2286 01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:49,860 filmed and recorded the gravity light 2287 01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:52,530 effects as well as the light spectra and 2288 01:47:56,540 --> 01:47:55,050 the the images of objects on the edge of 2289 01:47:57,980 --> 01:47:56,550 white stands when I got a tip that they 2290 01:48:01,790 --> 01:47:57,990 were being plagued by these things and 2291 01:48:03,140 --> 01:48:01,800 by golly there was there were spectra 2292 01:48:05,390 --> 01:48:03,150 that these things were emitting that was 2293 01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:05,400 one single wavelength of light which 2294 01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:07,650 explained when people see these things 2295 01:48:11,630 --> 01:48:09,600 often they say it was so pure I don't 2296 01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:11,640 understand well in this case it was pure 2297 01:48:16,250 --> 01:48:14,010 it was a very long red wavelength of 2298 01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:16,260 light but they remarkable thing beyond 2299 01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:17,970 it being pure such as no conventional 2300 01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:19,770 aircraft would produce and as propulsion 2301 01:48:24,980 --> 01:48:22,560 or in his lighting was that there was 2302 01:48:27,500 --> 01:48:24,990 lines splitting that single line was 2303 01:48:29,180 --> 01:48:27,510 being split and to get that you have to 2304 01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:29,190 have it generated in the presence of a 2305 01:48:33,380 --> 01:48:31,290 strong electrical field are a strong 2306 01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:33,390 magnetic field and in this case based on 2307 01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:35,040 the evidence we have we believe that 2308 01:48:38,540 --> 01:48:36,930 both are present because we objects were 2309 01:48:40,399 --> 01:48:38,550 clearly using magnet 2310 01:48:42,109 --> 01:48:40,409 plasma dynamic propulsion in the 2311 01:48:43,549 --> 01:48:42,119 atmosphere if anybody doesn't believe 2312 01:48:45,290 --> 01:48:43,559 that if you got a scientific background 2313 01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:45,300 contact me I'll give you the evidence 2314 01:48:50,750 --> 01:48:48,239 but I'm really hoping that that you guys 2315 01:48:54,020 --> 01:48:50,760 can help people to get this kind of data 2316 01:48:56,270 --> 01:48:54,030 in broad daylight and also even at night 2317 01:48:57,500 --> 01:48:56,280 it might be best for perspective in 2318 01:49:00,350 --> 01:48:57,510 daylight unless they're awfully bright 2319 01:49:01,430 --> 01:49:00,360 but you haven't mentioned spectra but 2320 01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:01,440 it'd be nice if you could also 2321 01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:04,170 incorporate you know specific spectrum 2322 01:49:09,979 --> 01:49:06,480 well we're we're out of time I'm afraid 2323 01:49:12,020 --> 01:49:09,989 I have to say but thanks I'm glad to 2324 01:49:13,580 --> 01:49:12,030 talk to you Ray as always always fun to 2325 01:49:16,010 --> 01:49:13,590 have you on the show yeah thanks thanks 2326 01:49:18,649 --> 01:49:16,020 ray all right thanks for calling me 2327 01:49:21,589 --> 01:49:18,659 thank you all right good night so we are 2328 01:49:25,609 --> 01:49:21,599 out of time but I will tell people you 2329 01:49:28,220 --> 01:49:25,619 can go over to UFO DEP calm that's UFO 2330 01:49:30,500 --> 01:49:28,230 daap calm and check out what Chris is 2331 01:49:33,410 --> 01:49:30,510 doing Chris I want to thank you very 2332 01:49:35,330 --> 01:49:33,420 much for being on the show tonight yeah 2333 01:49:37,220 --> 01:49:35,340 my pleasure it's always fun I always 2334 01:49:39,799 --> 01:49:37,230 find always good to talk to you and you 2335 01:49:42,109 --> 01:49:39,809 take care all right YouTube alright 2336 01:49:45,919 --> 01:49:42,119 everyone so that is it for our show this 2337 01:49:46,850 --> 01:49:45,929 evening next week we will be back with 2338 01:49:51,439 --> 01:49:46,860 Seth 2339 01:49:54,799 --> 01:49:51,449 Breedlove he is a film producer I 2340 01:49:57,680 --> 01:49:54,809 believe the the movie coming out is 2341 01:50:00,260 --> 01:49:57,690 called on the trail of UFOs and he'll be 2342 01:50:02,660 --> 01:50:00,270 the he'll be on next week so tune in for 2343 01:50:04,490 --> 01:50:02,670 that and remember everyone to keep your 2344 01:50:10,660 --> 01:50:04,500 eyes to the sky